Data Center Richness

The data center landscape is changing fast, as AI drives innovation in both energy and cooling. In a industry dominated by big companies and big requirements, it's a tricky time for data center startups.

Yuval Bachar is the founder of ECL, a startup that set out to pioneer hydrogen-powered data centers. With the arrival of ChatGPT and the AI data center boom, ECL has changed along with the industry.

Today on the Data Center Richness podcast, Yuval is here to share how ECL has moved to the cutting-edge of AI, deploying the very latest NVIDIA high-density racks in a hydrogen-powered, liquid-cooled data center. It's a story that reinforces the importance of an engineering mindset, and always being ready to innovate.

Let's get started ….

CHAPTERS GO HERE

00:00 - How data center startups navigate in an era of big, fast change

01:45 - Meet Yuval Bachar and learn about his "Data Center Journey"

09:30 - Managing Hydrogen-Powered Liquid-Cooled NVIDIA Racks

15:35 - Building Out the Executive Team at ECL

18:00 - Growth Opportunities in Texas with Natural Gas and Hydrogen

22:00 - The Shape of Inference and the Role of Data Centers

28:15 - The Evolution of Modular Data Center Design

31:40 - Cooling: How Dense Can We Go?

36:25 - The Road Ahead

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At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years.

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW

ECL Web Site https://ecldc.com/

Yuval Bachar on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuvalbachar/ Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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AI is changing the way we design and build data centers. Meanwhile, cloud computing and enterprise companies continue to need lots of IT capacity.

This creates a challenge for the teams that design data centers, who must navigate rapid change amid tensions between workloads and technologies. AI or cloud? Air-cooled or liquid-cooled?

This is Sara Martin's world. Sara is an Associate Principal at HED, an integrated design end engineering firm that works with many data center clients. On today's podcast Sara provides an inside look at how the rise of AI is creating new challenges, and how leading data centers are using design to build for the future in a period of big fast change.

Here's an overview of the conversation with Data Center Richness host Rich Miller and Sara Martin of HED:

00:00 - Why AI Challenges the Status Quo in Design

01:15 - Sara Martin shares her Data Center Journey, and what HED does.

05:10 - The AI Transition and Modular Designs

10:00 - Hybrid Cooling in Multi-Tenant Data Centers

14:45 - The Pace of Change as a Design Challenge

21:20 - Data Center Water Usage and Community Pushback

27:00 - Trends in Closed-Loop vs. Evaporative Cooling

32:30 - The Future Path of Power and Cooling

39:00 - Supply Chains and Why Modular Matters

At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years.

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW

HED's Data Center Portfolio https://hed.co/stories/mission-critical

Sara Martin on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/sara-martin-7b61b546/

Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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Data Center Innovation in the Age of AI https://youtu.be/P_0U0SLFJc8?si=Khxv-My10V0V3slU

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The Internet is a network of networks. And it's the connections between these networks that can transform a local business into a global enterprise. From the early days of the Internet, Equinix has been one of the primary places where these connections happen.

Equinix has made nearly half a million interconnections between the 10,000 companies using its 270 data centers around the world, making it a key player in the growth of colocation services and cloud computing.

How is Equinix positioned for the AI boom? To find out, we sat down with DD Dasgupta, the Vice President of Product Marketing at Equinix. DD shared his take on the power of ecosystems in the AI economy, the future of inference, and how Equinix is helping enterprise customers chart their way through the AI landscape.

Here's an overview of the conference between Data Center Richness host Rich Miller and DD Dasgupta of Equinix.

00:00 - Intro to DD Dasgupta and his Data Center Journey

02:45 - Overview of Equinix and its global data center ecosystem

04:00 - The AI Opportunity for Equinix and "Equinix 3.0"

07:25 - How Enterprise Customers are Using AI

12:55 - The Ecosystem Outlook - Which Verticals Are Using AI Most?

16:15 - The Equinix Take on Where Inference Will Live

20:25 - Solution Validation Labs - Test Before You Deploy

At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years.

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW

Equinix https://www.equinix.com/

Distributed AI at Equinix https://www.equinix.com/solutions/distributed-ai

Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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How Will Data Centers Be Different in 2030 https://youtu.be/IUO8fUWNoX8?si=FmoHM5EuAjOAlnpn

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One of the big data center stories of 2025 is the big shift of capacity from crypto to AI computing. In recent months, companies that got their start in crypto infrastructure have signed deals with the largest players in hyperscale AI, winning contracts worth billions of dollars.

One of those is Applied Digital, which has been one of the busiest players in 2025, singing deals for 600 megawatts of capacity on its data center campus in North Dakota.

Our guest today is Wes Cummins, the founder and CEO of Applied Digital, who provides an insider's view on the journey from bitcoin to AI, and how Applied Digital made North Dakota a hyperscale data center market.

Here's an overview of the discussion between Data Center Richness host Rich Miller and Applied Digital CEO Wes Cummins:

00:00 - From Bitcoin to Hyperscale: Wes Cummins' Data Center Journey

02:00 - 2025: A Big Year for Applied Digital

08:15 - 5 Pillars of Data Center Success (Why Capital Matters)

15:25 - Why North Dakota?

20:00 - The Crypto to HPC to AI Transition

23:00 - The Design Differences Between Crypto and AI

31:20 - Flexibility for the Inference-Powered Future

36:45 - The Road Ahead: More Hyperscalers in More Places

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At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years.

Subscribe to our YouTube channel for more insights: https://www.youtube.com/@DataCenterRichness?sub_confirmation=1

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW

Applied Digital https://www.applieddigital.com/

200 MW Hyperscale Lease Announcement https://ir.applieddigital.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/132/applied-digital-announces-5-billion-ai-factory-lease-with

Wes Cummins on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/wes-cummins-63114481/ Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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There's been Gigawatts of on-site power procured for data centers this year. And there's likely much more to come as the rise of AI boosts demand for data center capacity.

Today on Data Center Richness our topic is on-site power and the new energy landscape. Our guest is KC Mares of Megawatt Consulting, who has worked with many of the most consequential companies and projects in the history of the data center industry.

At a time when site selection and power availability are evolving rapidly, KC is helping data center operators adapt to this new world, especially in deploying on-site generation. Mares believes on-site power is not just a bridge solution, but a key strategy for the future as data centers diversify their power resources.

Today on Data Center Richness, KC shares his insights on the energy landscape, the growth of on-site power, and the road ahead for digital infrastructure. Here's an overview of our conversation:

00:00 - The Rise of On-Site Power at Data Centers

01:02 - About KC Mares and his Data Center Journey

04:00 - The State of Data Center Site Selection

08:50 - How AI Has Changed The Equation

18:12 - Turbine Availability & Scaling On-Site Power

27:20 - Energy Storage as an Enabler for Solar and Wind

38:50 - Community Relations and Data Centers in the Headlines

45:15 - The Road Ahead: How AI Can Be A Force for A Better Grid

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW

Megawatt Consulting https://megawattconsulting.com/

KC Mares on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/kcmares/

Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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Data centers are economic engines of the new economy. Every data center starts as an idea, with a location attached. It takes a lot of funding, planning and execution to create these complex facilities.

Today on Data Center Richness, we share a behind-the-scenes look at how investors and developers work together to bring a data center project from concept to reality. Our guests are Sabey Data Centers President Tim Mirick and Jeff Kanne, the President and CEO of National Real Estate Advisors. The two companies have been working together since 2010, with National Real Estate providing the capital to enable Sabey its footprint across the US.

It's a fascinating conversation that provides a glimpse into how these relationships work, and how investment strategy and company culture translate into new to support data center customers. And how those models adapt to the super-sized development environment of 2025 and beyond.

Here's an overview of the discussion, hosted by Rich Miller of Data Center Richness.

00:00 - Intro: Why Capital Matters in Data Center Development

01:30 - Tim Mirick's Data Center Journey, and the Sabey Data Centers story.

05:00 - Meet Jeff Kanne, and National Real Estate Advisors

08:15 - The Investor Perspective: How NREA Evaluates Development Opportunities

11:20 - The Operator Perspective: How Sabey Approaches Project Development

14:45 - Sabey's Growth Story - Expanding Beyond the Pacific Northwest

22:50 - The Next Phase: Why Austin?

26:25 - The Current AI Boom: Assessing Risk and Opportunity

31:50 - Developing Strategy in a Complex Market

36:00 - Customer Models - Enterprise vs. Hyperscale vs Neoclouds

39:45 - The Road Ahead: How Sabey and NREA See the Future

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At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years. Subscribe to our channel for more insights: https://www.youtube.com/@DataCenterRichness?sub_confirmation=1

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW

Sabey Data Centers https://sabeydatacenters.com/

National Real Estate Advisors https://natadvisors.com/

Sabey Expands Power Availability Across Key Campuses https://sabeydatacenters.com/news/sabey-expands-power-availability-across-key-campuses

Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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What Data Center Innovation Looks Like in the Age of AI

Data center development is moving fast, and so is the computing technology that lives inside them. The AI boom is accelerating just about everything, placing a premium on innovation. So what does data center innovation look like in 2025 and beyond?

To explore this question, we turned to Phill Lawson-Shanks, the Chief Innovation Officer at Aligned Data Centers. Phill has been involved in transformative work in the sector for years, from the edge of the network to the center of the data hall.

On today's show, Phill shares how modular designs are helping Aligned keep pace with new technology and new hardware, adapting to changes in power and cooling infrastructure, and all the while staying keenly focused on sustainability.

00:00 - Intro and Phill's "Data Center Journey"

04:16 - What innovation looks like in the age of AI

08:45 - The importance of modularity in an evolving design environment

14:20 - Managing infrastructure through the cloud to AI transition

19:45 - Extending innovation to site selection and the power landscape

24:30 - Prioritizing sustainabilty in a rapidly-evolving energy industry

27:30 - Future-proofing cooling infrastructure

31:30 - The Next 5 Years - How Phill sees it

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At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years. Subscribe to our channel for more insights: https://www.youtube.com/@DataCenterRichness?sub_confirmation=1

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW Aligned Data Centers https://aligneddc.com/

Phil Lawson-Shanks on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/plawsonshanks/

Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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Energy is the lifeblood of every data center. As the AI boom has gained velocity, the focus on energy has intensified as power demand has effectively maxed out existing grid capacity in major data center markets. Understanding the finer points of power has never been more important.

Dan Crosby has helped explain the complexities of the energy market for the data center sector. Dan is the founder and CEO of Legend Energy Advisors, where he and his team helped deploy clients deploy multiple gigawatts of data center projects in 2024.

On this edition of the Data Center Richness. Dan shared his take on how long the current power constraints might last, the growing profile of natural gas for powering large loads, and the opportunities and challenges in deploying onsite power at data centers.

00:00 - Why energy matters right now.

01:32 - Dan Crosby's "Data Center Journey" and background

04:00 - How Legend Energy Advisors works with data center clients.

06:20 - How long will key data center markets remain power-constrained.

10:50 - Onsite power for data centers - the opportunities and challenges.

15:45 - Designing loads and grids - how to manage dynamic power.

18:12 - What are the best strategies to collaborate with utilities?

21:11 - Load flexibility, and how to make it work.

25:15 - The rising profile of natural gas, and the role of renewable energy.

32:50 - Data centers as anchor customers for next-generation nuclear.

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At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years. Subscribe to our channel for more insights: https://www.youtube.com/@DataCenterRichness?sub_confirmation=1

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW

Legend Energy Advisors https://legendenergyadvisors.com/

Dan Crosby on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-crosby-a58a3212/

Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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When a data center project comes to town, a question often asked by residents and local officials is "what's in it for us?" What if there was a guide that could help local officials understand the upside of how digital services can transform their work and their community?

Today we continue our series on data centers and community controversies. Our guest is Ilissa Miller, the CEO of iMiller Public Relations, who has deep experience communicating the benefits of digital infrastructure. Iliisa has also held local office in her community, a role that informs her current work with the OIX Digital Infrastructure Framework, which provides guidance for community planners and economic development officials.

The goal is to empower community leaders to understand the infrastructure they have, what they need, and how to plan for what's coming. Ilissa has also has insights into the current challenges for data centers in community relations.

Here's an overview of the conversation between host RIch Miller and Ilissa Miller of iMiller PR:

00:00 - A Framework for Better Community Conversations

02:20 - From Opera to Digital Infrastructure: Ilissa Miller's Data Center Journey

05:20 - iMiller PR and its Mission and Services

07:40 - The History of Data Centers and Secrecy

13:50 - How to Improve the Media Narrative

17:30 - Introducing the Digital Infrastructure Framework

21:00 - Digital Infrastructure as a Tool for Master Planning

22:00 - Getting the Word Out

24:30 -Helping Communities Understand the Benefits of Digital Services

26:40 - Where to Learn More

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At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years. Subscribe to our channel for more insights: https://www.youtube.com/@DataCenterRichness?sub_confirmation=1

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW:

The OIX Digital Infrastructure Framework https://www.oix.org/standards-and-certifications/oix-dif-standard/

iMiller Public Relations https://www.imillerpr.com/

Follow Ilissa Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/ilissamiller/

Follow Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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We've seen a lot of headlines about data centers lately, especially controversies in communities considering large new data center campuses to support AI.

Community resistance to data centers is not new, but has escalated rapidly in recent months, with a number of projects being canceled or delayed amid community outcry, including some that represented billions of dollars in local investment.

Adam Waitkunas of Milldam Public Relations publishes a newsletter tracking data center controversies and how local communities are shaping the future of data center growth. Adam and host Rich Miller discuss why we're seeing more of these controversies, some of the key factors in community resistance, and what data centers can do to change the narrative and address some of the concerns about AI development.

It's an important topic, and one we need to talk more about. Digital services are a growing part of our entertainment, business and social lives, and that trend will continue. Data centers are the engines of this digital economy.

Here's an overview of the conversation:

00:00 - Overview: Community controversies are on the rise.

01:48 - About Adam Waitkunas of Milldam PR and the Zoning In newsletter.

05:45 - How We Got Here: The evolution of community controversies.

10:12 - Community Awareness and Data Center Development

15:00 - Transparency and Why It Matters

19:18 - Best Practices for Communicating With the Community

20:56 - Public Officials on the Hot Seat.

24:40 - Localizing the Community Conversation

27:00 - NDAs and Community Relations

29:15 - A Legacy of Secrecy. Time for a change?

35:00 - How Media Coverage Shapes the Narratives

39:00 - Could the data center industry be doing more?

41:10 - Building Bridges and Expertise

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At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years. Subscribe to our channel for more insights: https://www.youtube.com/@DataCenterRichness?sub_confirmation=1

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LINKS FROM THIS SHOW:

Milldam Public Relations https://milldampr.com/

Follow Adam Waitkunas on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/awaitkunas/

Follow Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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