On today's episode we have two guests whose books look at two different angles of human evolution. Dave Coplin's Rise of the Humans looks at our evolving and changing relationship with technology while Gaia Vince's Transcendence looks at human evolution as it relates to culture and the objects we create. They both chat to Robin and Josie about their books, the state of humans right now, and why Robin is bad at video games... To hear the full version of both of these interviews, become a Patreon supporter at patreon.com/bookshambles. Subscribers get extended versions of each and every episode. This week there's a bonus 45 mins of content.