This week on Commerce Code, we speak with Keith Smith, Chief Executive Officer of Payouts Network. Payouts Network’s PayNow Platform executes instant payouts, digital credits, and pay with points - and as the name suggests, PayNow executes immediately.

Today, we talk with Keith about Points as Programmable Currency. We have lived in a long period in which people, Americans especially, never questioned or even really thought much about what currency is, how it works or whether it might change. A big-picture view suggests that currency can be lots of things - and it’s not ridiculous to think that the next step in currency evolution could come out of the points/rewards/loyalty landscape.

EPISODE 186C:

This is the third installment in our three-part series on intelligent shopping agents - an extended conversation with Shawn Conahan, Chief Revenue Officer at Wildfire Systems. In the first episode, Shawn laid out what ISAs are, and in the second episode we talked about how ISAs will affect payments, consumers and merchants. At the end of that episode, Dan had just asked Shawn how they would affect loyalty programs - and since Wildfire Systems is a key player in the loyalty market, Shawn’s answer won’t disappoint you - he’s thought about this a lot, and his answer is thoroughly researched. Let’s pick up the conversation where we left off. Shawn - what does this all mean for loyalty programs?

EPISODE 186B:

This is the second installment in our three-part series on intelligent shopping agents - an extended conversation with Shawn Conahan, Chief Revenue Officer at Wildfire Systems. In Monday’s episode, Shawn laid out what ISAs are, and when we concluded Dan had just asked him how shopping (search, selection, and payment) fully integrated into AI platforms like Perplexity or Chat GPT would affect the payments industry. Let’s pick up the conversation where we left off. Shawn - what does this all mean for the payments industry?

EPISODE 186A

This week on Commerce Code, we have a first-of-its kind, three-episode Commerce Code Deep Dive on AI Shopping Agents. For all three episodes, we speak with Shawn Conahan, Chief Revenue Officer at Wildfire Systems. Wildfire provides white-label shopping rewards and cashback platforms to companies like Microsoft, Visa, Citi, and RBC.

By the end of this first episode, you will see how huge the implications are of AI shopping agents - and you will probably be out playing with them if you haven’t already.

Wednesday’s episode will unpack what AI Shopping Agents mean for Payments, Consumers and Merchants. We don’t want to spoil it for you, but in that conversation, we might conclude that when the dust has settled, payments will still exist, consumers will still exist, and merchants … might or might not still exist, depending.

And in the third episode, we’ll take a look at how AI shopping agents will affect Loyalty and Marketing, Google, Amazon, and other fundamental things we take for granted today.

Stay tuned for our first of three episodes in this week’s series: Intelligent Shopping Agents Attack! What Are They, and What Are They Doing?

This week on Commerce Code, we speak with Chrissy Maitland, General Manager of Rakuten Card Linked Offers. Rakuten is a longstanding leader in DCA-CardLinx, and powers the card-linked offer programs for leading financial services companies, mobile app providers and loyalty rewards programs. They provide merchants with a scalable pay-for-performance channel that efficiently drives traffic and sales in-Store and online. Today we are talking about:

• The changed consumer environment in 2025
• The importance of value to consumers now
• What that looks like in light of a very fast-moving political and economic situation globally
• What merchants, financial services companies and other digital commerce professionals need to do to adapt and grow during what is already a complicated year

This week on Commerce Code, we speak with John Taylor Garner, Founder & CEO of Odynn. Odynn has built the Awayz platform that creates the ability for customers to book hotels and flights with side-by-side points, miles, and cash pricing.

This week on Commerce Code, we speak with Atif Mirza from VantageScore and Paul Siegfried from TransUnion. VantageScore is a credit score modeling and analytics company focused on innovation and financial inclusion, and TransUnion is a major credit reporting agency and a global information and insights company focused on building trust in global commerce.

Today we are talking about:

• Credit health for consumers overall
• The growth of BNPL and where that fits in
• What it means for the outlook for 2025
• We briefly contemplate what the world would have been like if consumers had even more access to bell-bottom jeans in 1976 - it’s either a terrifying or wonderful thought, depending on your aesthetics

This week on Commerce Code we speak with with Miraj Patel, CEO & Co-Founder of Harness. Harness is a leading financial technology platform that helps nonprofits, financial institutions, and brands grow Revenue, Engagement, Loyalty, and Community. Today we are talking about major changes in the college sports world - and in particular the financing of college sports, something that’s changing in a huge and unpredictable way right now. Harness has jumped into that fray by powering something called GameChange - you’ll hear on the show what that is and what it does.

This week on Commerce Code we speak with Avinash Chukka of Cardlytics and Brett Watson and Jeff Hudson of The Coupon Bureau.

Listeners to Commerce Code will know who Cardlytics is - they were a pioneer and primary player in the CLO industry from the start. The Coupon Bureau (TCB) is a nonprofit industry association, like DCA-CardLinx, that was created to develop and promulgate a universal standard for digital coupons. As TCB says, their mission is to seamlessly connect manufacturers, retailers, and consumers with secure, cutting-edge coupon solutions.

Notice the word manufacturers in there - a key piece of this is product brands who would otherwise be issuing paper coupons; this creates a secure digital standard for them to use that merchants can recognize. And it will allow Cardlytics to bring new offers to consumers through their platform.

Episode 180: Reimagining Global Offers: Tokenization’s Impact on Issuers, Merchants & Consumers

This week on Commerce Code we speak with Peter Schultze, Chief Executive Officer of Kigo, and Ben Straley, President and Chief Product Officer at Kigo. Kigo has developed a tokenized offer delivery system that complements existing card-linked offer networks. Today we're talking about how their approach makes it possible to reimagine value delivery for issuers, merchants and consumers.

Through tokenization, the Kigo system is able to deliver more content, more merchant flexibility, instant value to the cardholder, and better attribution. On top of that, offers are shareable and dynamic, so the offer can change even after a consumer has received it.

Taken together, this can drive astonishing new relevance and personalization for the cardholder community—and significant new sources of income for issuers and payment networks.