On this program, Mark interviews Debbie Koch, past President of the Carmelite Community in Cincinnati Ohio. Debbie shares her journey leading to Carmel, her thoughts on the impact her devotion to Carmel has had on her life and considerable experience in leading a Secular Carmelite Community. She also shares information on the process of spiritual formation, the importance of community and her own thoughts on some of the leading spiritual figures in the history of the Carmelite Order