This week we have Jon's book recommendations for Fintan - yes, really - and exciting news about sponsorship [0:00 - 31:51]; then they chaps are joined by the excellent Debra Nutton, a gaming exec who has long stints in the boardrooms of MGM and Wynn Resorts on her resumé. Debra talks about a stellar career and what she's learned [31:52 - 1:25:33]. Then Kim Lund emerges like the sun to warm our souls, discussing the space between gaming and gambling, game development, and his hopes for Aftermath Interactive's new game, Hands of Victory [1:25:34 - 2:19:47]. Finally Jon asks a small favour... [2:19:49 - 2:20:42]