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  • 344: The Luparian Steve Jobs (The Halloween Apocalypse)

    Does every culture have a Steve Jobs analogue?

    This episode, both the TV episode and our podcast episode, are a little bit chaotic. We drop a lot of theories on this episode, amazingly they’re all probably going to be wrong. At the same time, can yo believe that? I can. We’re known for it at this point. (Just kidding). Anyway, it’s The Halloween Apocalypse, written by Chris Chibnall and aired on October 31, 2021.

    Show-notes:

    0:40: I might as well link the Marco Polo episode for all you Trust Your Doctor historians.
    1:30: Dylan originally had a note here telling himself to listen to our episode on The Chase to see if we watched it together. Well, I(Kiyan)’m too lazy for that, so “trust me bro.”
    4:50: Yeah The Big Bang wiped out the Doctor Who universe and rebuilt it.
    7:08: Pair bonding is not what I meant to say here.
    8:47: “Slow burn.”
    9:5: It took us 10 minutes before we referenced Christopher Eccleston blowing up canon. I thought this was a new record but in our Survival episode we took only 5 and a half minutes.
    11:27: Jane Baker is not, in fact, alive and kicking. She died in 2014.
    13:47: Fear not dear listener, the wikipedia page for cold opens is here to save the day.
    16:37: The TARDIS wiki of all places has a page on the ARG. I forgot that the “prize” was just a picture of the Doctor. lol. (Editor’s note: wait really? Ahahahahahahaha lmao.)
    19:48: List of British Monarchs. Best wikipedia page, 2021.
    23:24: For all our American fans, here’s some info on Liverpool FC. Arsenal is from London.
    26:43: I will not link this.
    29:29: Tom Clancy died in 2013.
    35:00: Googling “JFK jr resurrection” has probably ruined my search history but I did it for you.
    45:50: This is so wizard, Ani.
    54:23: This is not going to go the way you think.
    57:46: Here’s the Cloister Bell page on the TARDIS wiki in case you wanted to look yourself.
    1:16:38: Bernard’s statement is sourced from a tweet because it was said live on TV.
    1:18:55: You all remember the War Chief? Good times.
    1:32:50: Here, you can watch the opening scene to Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets for yourself.
    1:33:15: We talked about Taken a while ago over on Triple Play.

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    1 hr 36 min
  • Firefly 8 – Out of Gas

    I almost ran out of gas getting to the gas station the other day.

    So I’m pretty sure I have a 10 gallon tank and somehow the other day I put 10.2 gallons in my car. Either I somehow have a larger tank or I overfilled the car. Or, by some miracle, my car was literally running on fumes. Look there must be a simple explanation to this but for some reason I choose to believe the most fantastical. It’s Out of Gas, written by Tim Minear and aired on October 25, 2002

    Show-notes:

    1:44: Literally via the the Oxford English Dictionary [Editor’s note: is this just a copypasted definition from the page for “literally?”] I. a. In a literal, exact, or actual sense; not figuratively, allegorically, etc. […] c. colloquial. Used to indicate that some (frequently conventional) metaphorical or hyperbolical expression is to be taken in the strongest admissible sense: ‘virtually, as good as’; (also) ‘completely, utterly, absolutely’.
    2:06: Doctor Who: Flux Episode 1: The Halloween Apocalypse went out on October 31, 2021. Our episode on it will go out in November 7, 2021. Catch it on Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast, our Doctor Who podcast.
    3:56: 10 Hidden Details You Missed in The Episode Out of Gas. This has to be the worst article title of all time, by the way.
    17:04: Believe it or not, both cosmetology and cosmology both originate  (if you go far enough back) from the word kosmos. Thanks etymonline. [Editor’s note: Wait, why is this hard to believe?]
    21:20: Gonna link the Magnum, PI wiki for all you under-30s out there. [Editor’s note: We’re under 30.]
    22:26: Here’s a good article on being an accent chameleon.
    33:10: Here’s the TV Tropes recap page for Out of Gas in case you really REALLY have nothing better to do.
    59:27: I don’t remember what my order was either, but you can find out for me if you go and listen to our Fall Out episode of Inevitable.
    1:04:30: Angel began airing in 1999, so before Firefly.
    1:05:43: Never eat pears. Also I was mistaken, this was in Human Nature, not Blink.
    1:11:12: NaNoWriMo 2021 has officially started. If you want to read my (Dylan’s) novel as I write it, I’m putting the full text online day by day over here.
    1:12:29: The documentary is called What We Left Behind.
    1:13:31: Apparently the Science Channel re-ran Firefly in 2011.
    1:15:59: Victor Mair writes a little on the mutual intelligibility of Sinitic languages. Many of them are not mutually intelligible when spoken.
    1:19:18: To quote my show-notes from last week: “There is a Hallmark Christmas Movie podcast, it’s called Deck the Hallmark.” Their exact description is as follows: “Join Bran, Panda, and Dan as they attempt to watch and review Hallmark movies. Just 3 dudes…watching made-for-tv movies. What could go wrong?”

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    1 hr 22 min
  • Trust Your Doctor is Back!

    We’re back, again!

    It hasn’t been that long, just 4 months or so, but we’re finally back. Unlike the actual Doctor Who, we didn’t take a massive like 10 year hiatus. But we’re back to podcast along with Doctor Who: Series 13: Flux. Or whatever the heck they’ve decided to call it.

    Show-notes:

    You need show-notes for this?

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    6 min
  • Firefly 7 – Jaynestown

    Apparently “Jaynestown” is frequently featured on “wtf is this in Firefly” lists. [Editor’s note: I assume that Dylan assumed that I would add more to this intro. Little did he know that I’m actually going to add nothing to it at all… wait, damn!]

    It’s Jaynestown, written by Ben Edlund and aired on October 18, 2002

    Show-notes:

    2:30: Ben Edlund really did create the Tick, we didn’t make this part up.
    3:55: Just gonna link Marita Grabiak’s imdb page, because that’s what I’m reading during this segment. And yes, Bill & Ted’s Bogus Journey is the second Bill and Ted movie.
    5:00: It’s Four Weddings and a Funeral, and it’s actually a TV show now, in addition to originally being a movie.
    6:51: FINE, here’s Christmas on Wheels for you.
    7:07: There is a Hallmark Christmas Movie podcast, it’s called Deck the Hallmark.
    18:25: Here’s an intro physics course talking about the strength of ceramics.
    19:27: Wikipedia has a surprisingly complex and in depth discussion on the shuttle heat shields. Also, for more on The Daemons and other Doctor Who related stuff, check out our Doctor Who podcast, Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast.
    3:55: I meant to say Ben Edlund here.
    28:23: Here, follow along at home.
    34:22: Animaniacs made fun of obsessive fans in this bit, the “Please Please Get a Life Foundation”
    37:40: I actually can’t find anything saying the Okapi was thought to be extinct. It’s just endangered and restricted to specific habitats. Same with the gnu actually. Not sure why I thought that.
    37:57: That episode of Delayed Replay covered the obviously super successful K9: Timequake movie. (We also didn’t actually look up the status of the Okapi in that episode. We just talked about it without actually looking up any information about it.)
    1:03:28: I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t know what How the Grinch Stole Christmas is.\
    1:13:16: Notto be confused with The Nutshack.

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    1 hr 20 min
  • Firefly 6 – Our Mrs. Reynolds

    Can you imagine if one of us just showed up to the podcast one day and got married for doing it?

    Look so once upon a time I’m sitting there and wait a minute I realized I started a description almost exactly the same way already this season on Inevitable. Shoot, I’m losing my touch and my creativity. It’s Our Mrs. Reynolds, written by Joss Whedon and aired on October 4, 2002

    Show-notes:

    1:48: We will not be watching LAX for this podcast, because it does not qualify even in the most tenuous and broad definition of “Sci-fi.”
    6:27: Colin Gordon is the other Number 2 who appears more than once on The Prisoner (1967), appearing in both A. B. C. and The General.
    12:47: I’m just going to quote Kiyan’s previous show note, because why not: “The Kuleshov effect is “a mental phenomenon by which viewers derive more meaning from the interaction of two sequential shots than from a single shot in isolation.””
    17:05: I actually can’t remember which episode of Star Cops is the one where I (Dylan) went on a rant about taking paper to the moon, so here’s a link to Star Cops Episode 1, as covered on Inevitable.
    23:47: The quote is “Get in good trouble, necessary trouble”.
    27:45: Interestingly China is actually the opposite, leaving food on your plate is considered a respectful way to show that you ate enough.
    33:10: It’s More Likely Than You Think.
    37:55: Should we bring these 90s carpets back? Probably not.
    43:01: The KGB invented lipstick that shot bullets because… I don’t know why.
    44:13: They made this gun knife thing.
    44:55:
    57:04: “Fridging” is a trope where a female character is unceremoniously killed off (or “stuffed in the fridge”).
    1:08:24: Check out Delayed Replay, and especially the K9: Timequake episode of Delayed Replay.
    1:11:10: The Suite Life of Zack and Cody was a television show, and I wish we would stop talking about this to be honest.

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    1 hr 14 min
  • Firefly 5 – Safe

    Kiyan, as soon as we finish: Why the hell was this episode titled “Safe” anyway?

    One day I’d like to be safe. Safe from all of this nonsense that we have to face in the world. Mostly the nonsense of the podcast. Every morning I wake up remembering that this is my life’s work, that this is what I’ll be remembered for when I’m gone. Sobering thoughts to wake up to. It’s Safe, written by Drew Z. Greenberg and aired on November 1, 2002

    Show-notes:

    0:52:  Here, enjoy the wikipedia page for Private Practice.
    2:11: Drake Bell went to jail for child endangerment charges.
    12:44: If you too haven’t watched High School Musical, here’s everything you ever needed to know on High School Musical.
    15:00: There’s an apple wiki page for the iPod shuffle, of course.
    16:06: XKCD 1053 (damn that’s old) (Editor’s note: Yeah, XKCD is old as hell, which in [art explains why it’s so unfunny.)
    19:24: Could’ve fooled me.
    28:24: Patrick Jane is one of the coolest television characters. Etymonline says that Jane is a female name. The etymonline bio page is a pretty interesting read too.
    29:08: Behold the extensive work of almost one single person bringing to you the etymology of the name Jane.
    36:54: For (WAY) more on the guns of Firefly, check out the show’s IMFDB page.
    41:23: The Prisoner (1967)
    51:40: Here’s the article on “thou shalt not suffer a witch to live” I was talking about.
    1:06:43: Here’s the paste article I talk about for a while.
    1:08:20: Netflix still sends out DVDs, and dvd.com redirects to the brand new dvd.netflix.com.
    1:09:05: The only citations I could find for there being a Chinese proverb about badly carved swans is, amazingly, Firefly. But I did find the first half of the proverb in a slightly different form, that is, “He painted a tiger, but it turned out a dog” although even that is unsourced. Make of this what you will.
    1:12:52: Check out our movie trilogy podcast, Triple Play: A Movie Trilogy Podcast.

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    1 hr 24 min
  • Firefly 4 – Shindig

    The titles of these episodes are wack. Like who the hell says “shindig” anymore?

    So I went to a party the other week right, and I was having a good time. Then all of a sudden I look over and out of the corner of my eye some lunatic just punches another guy in the face? What the heck was that? Anyway, I didn’t think too much more about it, I was only there for the free food anyway. It’s Shindig, written by Jane Espenson and aired on November 1, 2002

    Show-notes:

    1:22: I guess Vern Gillum just vanished from the TV world.
    2:51: Here’s a CNBC article talking about Nick Cage’s curious… money problems, let’s say.
    3:41: Here’s Nicolas Cage on why Nicolas Cage will never see The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent. “It’s just too much of a wacked-out trip,” says Cage.
    4:51: Here’s imdb’s custom Firefly viewing order (bro) in case you’re interested.
    5:25: It has actually been exactly 350 days between this episode going out and our episode on The Prisoner’s final episode Fall Out.
    9:00: In hindsight I actually think Wikipedia reproduces Book’s intro exactly but does not include any of Mal’s.
    16:07: Kerr Avon and Roj Blake are characters from Blake’s 7, a show we podcasted about on another podcast, our Blake’s 7 podcast, Zenith: A Blake’s 7 Podcast.
    45:18: This wouldn’t happen with lightsabers. There’s no link in this show-note, I just hadn’t written one in a while and wanted to say something “witty.”
    46:35: I’m gonna assume that Kiyan is referring to this movie from 1989: Snake Eater. (Yes. Here’s a trailer for it.)
    49:01: I should’ve cut this accent but I didn’t, hope you appreciate.
    53:10: Methanol will blind you, that shit is no joke.
    55:57: Seaweeds, for example, are protists, not plants..
    56:25: I realized people outside of the US might not know this reference, so here’s Chick-Fil-A themselves explaining it for you. (Editor’s note: Chick-Fil-A has a corporate blog, huh? Truly, every day we stray further from god’s light.)
    59:09: Here’s For a Few Dollars More, and here’s A Room with a View, the book. Apparently it was also adapted into a movie which might be more apt for the medium we’re talking about here, but I digress.
    1:01:35: I can’t believe I’m linking to Doctor Who on a Firefly podcast but here’s the TARDIS wiki article on The Impossible Astronaut.
    1:03:12: Don’t worry, I’m here to tell you who the hell Cyril Shaps is, for all our American listeners. I’m starting to realize that this podcast is 50% references American’s won’t understand and 50% references Brits won’t understand.
    1:07:14: Here’s the Karate Kid poster I was talking about.

    Some other sources:

    AV Club

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    1 hr 9 min
  • Firefly 3 – Bushwhacked

    I’ve never been bushwhacked, but I have been whacked. Unfortunately. (Editor’s note: wack.)

    Now I’m pretty sure being bushwhacked just means you get whacked while you’re in a bush. I was in the mafia for a day, I can guarantee this is correct. Whenever my underboss would come to me to tell me to bushwhack someone this is exactly what he told me. Promise. It’s Bushwhacked, written by Tim Minear and aired on September 27, 2002

    Show-notes:

    2:22: Here’s the lexico definition of bushwhacked for all the budding etymologists in the audience. And here’s the Merriam Webster definition. And the Urban Dictionary definition I guess. Etymonline suggests a more sylvan origin to the word.
    4:10: Check out Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast, our Doctor Who podcast.
    5:46: Serenity: 1 hour 26 minutes. The Train Job: 43 minutes. Bushwhacked: 45 minutes.
    6:50: Fine, fine, here’s the Family Guy cool whip bit. 15 seconds of googling has informed me that Family Guy was the originator of the bit.
    7:52: The future versions of Dylan and Kiyan dropped in on our Five Doctors episode of Trust Your Doctor.
    9:24: Dylan is, surprisingly, not lying when he explains all these nonsense Spikeball rules.
    14:33: I’m just gonna link bigfinish.com for you so you can follow along with this next bit.
    20:04: Finding Serenity is less an academic article and more a 256 page book of critical essays, apparently.
    21:22: Glenn Yeffeth is actually some publisher/writer/marketer guy.
    37:37: In My Mind is a… sort of semi biographical look at Patrick McGoohan.
    53:48: The Kuleshov effect is “a mental phenomenon by which viewers derive more meaning from the interaction of two sequential shots than from a single shot in isolation.”
    57:40: Apparently the name for these people, at least in WWII, were the Japanese Holdouts.
    1:05:40: Something something wagon train to the stars.
    1:07:13: Here you go, go learn about Zeno’s paradoxes to keep your evening interesting.
    1:10:04: Warning: blood.
    1:11:13: Wow, believe it or not I actually found the Godzilla site in my history. It’s not plain white, and was actually updated post release with a review of the film. From what I can see it was last updated in 2004.
    1:13:28: Look at the poster for The Sarah Connor Chronicles and tell me it’s not the most 2008 thing you’ve ever seen.

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    AV Club

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    1 hr 19 min
  • Firefly 2 – The Train Job

    Did you know Kiyan and I once wrote a whole outline for a story about a guy robbing a train?

    This week we prove that watching Firefly was not a hoax of… weakly epic proportions. That’d actually be a terrible hoax, it’s a sci-fi show, why wouldn’t we watch it? Well good news is that by the time I’m writing this we’ve even recorded episode 3. Wow! It’s The Train Job, written by Joss Whedon and Tim Minear and aired on September 20, 2002

    Show-notes:

    1:37: We actually watched Blake’s 7 on our Blake’s 7 podcast, Zenith: A Blake’s 7 Podcast.
    4:19: Here’s that AV Club review of The Train Job that I’m referencing in this next statement.
    7:52: The Raab Collection has an interesting breakdown on the early history of the phrase “the south will rise again”.
    12:28: Serenity (the movie) came out in 2005, but we shouldn’t confuse it with this other movie that came out in 2019… also named Serenity.
    16:17: Here’s Greg Edmondson’s Wikipedia page to see if you too can randomly discover he composed something you like.
    18:22: Chinese is a really interesting and fascinating language with dozens of dialects and a heavy dose of “what even makes a dialect?” sprinkled on top. I can’t even approach the complexity of the topic so I’ll let Asia Society do it for me.
    20:18: “RP” in this context means roleplay “received pronunciation”.
    23:40: Check out our Doctor Who podcast, Trust Your Doctor: A Doctor Who Podcast.
    25:02: Frost my tips and log me in.
    33:33: Yeah I’m not gonna link this. (Here you go: Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse on wikipedia. Warning: graphic images)
    35:17: We’ve actually watched the original 60s Ocean’s Eleven on Triple Play: A Movie Trilogy Podcast, our movie trilogy podcast.
    39:32: Wow, Dylan sounds really disappointed that they didn’t kill him here.
    43:43: Black lung is also known as coalworker’s pneumoconiosis. Not for the faint of heart. Or lungs.
    48:42: Here’s an article outlining The Crow and the death of Brandon Lee therein.
    53:35: You know what, here’s Lund on the Firefly wiki.
    57:58: This shooting script is unsourced, take it as you will. (Editor’s note: The fact that this is from “myths.com” doesn’t lend do any favors for its credibility. Lmao)
    1:13:29: The return of the stunned silence, our third host.
    1:14:54: The Great Train Robbery was also, by chance, Michael Crichton’s second directorial effort. Neat.

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    The Train Job, David Black

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    1 hr 26 min
  • Firefly 1 – Serenity

    Is Joss Whedon an auteur?

    Those are the fateful lines that begin our journey into this cult favourite television show. Some might even say beloved. Will we agree with this premise? Only time will tell for sure, and at this moment we’ve only watched  single damn episode of the show so how the hell should I know? It’s Firefly episode 1: Serenity, not to be confused with the later concluding movie, also weirdly named Serenity.

    Show-notes:

    1:10: I had forgotten we watched Lexx at all, to be quite honest with you dear fan. But if you wanted to hear our “journey” into Lexx, check out the beginning of our descent into the depravity that is that series.
    5:15: Browncoats*
    6:30: Linking a Quora post to explain why Firefly ended so quickly is probably a bad idea, but it was this or ScreenRant and you already know all our thoughts on that.
    9:51: Here’s Joss Whedon’s Wonder Woman script for all of you who were desperate to read it I guess. Special shout out to “To say she is beautiful is to almost miss the point. […] Her body is curvaceous, but taut as a drawn bow.” For being the most uncomfortable few lines of text I’ve read today.
    10:53: The Nevers got extremely average reviews.
    18:50: The “all I know is I must kill” meme actually is pretty funny with the image to go along with it.
    22:45: The Bebop Beat is a Cowboy Bebop podcast that seems pretty new. I’ve never listened to it, but could be worth checking out.
    24:30: And Spanish.
    25:37: We talk a lot about Marinus in our Keys of Marinus revisted episode of Trust Your Doctor.
    33:51: Kiyan elaborates on this absolutely correct opinion in our Fifty Shades episode of Triple Play.
    54:15: Pacific Rim is a movie by Guillermo del Toro that’s apparently good but I’ve never seen it so I wouldn’t know. (Yeah, same here -Kiyan, 2021)
    56:30: Kiyan elaborates on this absolutely correct opinion in our Alien: Resurrection episode of Triple Play.
    1:00:29: Here’s an article on how Joss Whedon allegedly took joy in making female writers uncomfortable during writer’s room meetings.
    1:03:57: Soylent Green is People!
    1:21:50: Magnificent Seven is a definite and unabashed American remake of Seven Samurai.
    1:25:20: Internet Movie Firearms Database is a surprisingly robust site.
    1:26:53: Star Cops was the first show we watched for this podcast. Good times.
    1:32:00: Just cause I’m curious, Star Wars: Forces of Destiny is a series of short animated episodes that were released over 2017 and 2018.
    1:39:15: The original Twilight Zone started in 1959. The 1985 Twilight Zone is the second series.
    1:40:50: Who the hell is Kwanseer? And what is his role in the Aladdin TV series? Stay tuned for more information.

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    1 hr 45 min

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