In this episode of Can We Be Real?, we unpack the controversy surrounding ABC boss Kim Williams’ remarks about Joe Rogan and the shocking public response. Williams’ outdated perspective on the rise of digital media reflects a growing divide between traditional media and the modern audience.

Here’s the reality check: the audience will always decide. Currently, MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News—the titans of traditional media—have a combined audience of 5.2 million viewers. Meanwhile, Joe Rogan commands an incredible 11 million listeners per episode. Full stop.

We explore why dismissing platforms like like podcasts isn’t just a misstep but a symptom of traditional media’s decline.

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