Bob and Ali interview retired law enforcement investigator and criminal profiler Mike King about his new podcast Gardens of Evil: Inside the Zion Society Cult, releasing as Season 5 of American Nightmares on the Gamut Podcast Network. Mike led the 1991 investigation that brought down the Zion Society — a secretive cult of over 100 members hiding in plain sight in Ogden, Utah, where children were groomed for abuse under the direction of self-proclaimed prophet Arvin Shreeve. With 40+ years in law enforcement, FBI ViCAP advisory board experience, and his book Deceived as the foundation, Mike takes us inside the investigation, the raid, the prosecution, and why survivors reconnected decades later to tell their story. Mike is donating all proceeds from Gardens of Evil to child advocacy charities.

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Bob and Ali continue to discuss the updates in this awful situation.

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Bob is joined by retired NYPD Sargent Joe Giacalone to discuss the details of the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie

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Pt. 4 of 4 of Bob and Ali interview with Andrew Baldwin

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There have been major ups and downs for the defense team as of late. The issue with the ups is that they seem to only travel with a caveat companion.

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Pt. 3 of 4 of Bob and Ali interview with Andrew Baldwin

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Pt. 2 of 4 of Bob and Ali interview with Andrew Baldwin

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Bob and Ali arejoined once again by Andy Baldwin, defense attorney for Richard Allen. They discuss the latest updates in the case.

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The Defense team has taken a major blow, the remaining members have a lot to figure out on multiple levels. How will their increased workload be handled? How will they divide the new tasks? Will they ever win a motion? Find the answers to these questions and more. within

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Ali and Andrea Burkhart get together to recap and discuss the defense's appellate brief in the case of Indiana v. Richard Allen

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