As we progress forward in our learning and movement work, it’s important to be grounded in the lessons of our ancestors and comrades who came before us. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “What’s Next for Defund?” from In These Times magazine—a conversation between five organizers and police abolitionists reflecting on the movement work and successes of recent years and discussing where we need to go in 2022 and beyond—and what we can take away from their insights and lessons in our continued work towards abolition and collective liberation. 

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