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Beatrice speaks with Nate Holdren about why deportation is wrong, period, and about what we lose when we limit our demands to appeals about "legality."

This episode was recorded and released prior to the onset of "Operation Metro Surge" in Minneapolis but is being unlocked today as the discussion feels even more relevant following recent events. It was originally released under the title "Political Imagination and Appeals to the Law."

Find Nate's recent essays (mentioned at the top of the episode) here:

Hands Off! (Spectre Journal) - https://spectrejournal.com/hands-off/

Deportation is Wrong, Period (Little Village) - https://littlevillagemag.com/letter-to-the-editor-deportation-is-wrong-period/

FInd Nate's book, Injury Impoverished, here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781108448666

Show links:

We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel

Get Health Communism here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179

Find Tracy's book Abolish Rent here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9798888902523

Find Jules' latest book, A Short History of Trans Misogyny, here: bookshop.org/a/118130/9781804291603

Interstitial music by Artie

Outro by Time Wharp: timewharp.bandcamp.com/track/tezeta