Andy and Patrick debate whether doing free work and internships is better at getting a job then just waiting around, they also chat about finding ways to stand out when looking for a gig.

Andy asks Patrick what it takes to be a design manager and if it's fun or not.

Great throwback interview with the mighty Allison Zubal on how to speak up

Andy and Patrick try to figure our when you know you have designed enough on a project.

Andy and Patrick sit down and chat about Jessica Goldman's topic - what makes a senior designer.

Patrick interviews Andy about how to tell a story and be a more effective communicator of design, they also chat about Patrick's new Raycons

Following up on the last episode about junior designer career development, Andy and Patrick throwback to their interview with Ashley Hunt and her experience being a jr finding a gig.

Andy and Patrick chat about why some companies don't like to hire jr talent, and what can be done about that. Oh, we also talked about Andy's Halloween costume from a few years ago.

Andy finally watched Top Gun and he talks about how much sweat is in the film. Oh and Andy and Patrick chat about not feeling inadequate.

Andy and Patrick finally finished Hamilton and gave it a good solid crit. They also chat about how to hire the best talent.