Podcast Season 2, Episode 10 - with Kelly Saindon and Paula Emeigh - 08/10/2026
Kelly Saindon and Paula Emeigh are two people who have arrived at grief work through very different paths and remarkably similar callings.
Kelly is a licensed spiritual practitioner, master clinical social worker, death doula, grief facilitator, and artist. For the past several years she has been helping people navigate loss through grief groups, Death Cafés, retreats, and creative healing experiences. Paula is a licensed spiritual practitioner whose own lifelong experiences with grief inspired her to become a compassionate companion, listener, prayer partner, and source of support for others moving through difficult seasons of life.
What brings them together is a shared belief that grief is far bigger than most people realize.
In this conversation, we explore the misconceptions many of us have about grief, including the myth that it follows neat "stages" or that people should simply "get over it." Kelly and Paula explain how grief affects not only our emotions, but also our bodies, minds, relationships, identities, and spiritual lives. We discuss grief that comes from losing loved ones, but also grief connected to retirement, caregiving, divorce, illness, disability, career changes, pets, community, and any significant life transition.
At the center of our conversation is the Art Grief Group they have created together at New Vision Center for Spiritual Living. The group combines education, creative expression, compassionate listening, and community support into a safe environment where people can explore loss without being judged, fixed, advised, or rushed through their process. Their work is built around a simple but powerful idea: grief is not something we get over. It is something we learn to companion throughout our lives.
Along the way, we discuss healing, spiritual practice, support groups, caregiving, unresolved grief, anticipatory grief, the importance of being witnessed by others who understand, and why creativity can open doors that conversation alone sometimes cannot.
If you've ever experienced loss, supported someone who has, or found yourself struggling with a life transition that seemed harder than it "should" have been, this conversation offers a compassionate and deeply human perspective on what grief actually is and how healing happens.
New Vision Center for Spiritual Living: https://newvisioncsl.org/
Event link: https://newvisioncsl.org/events/nvc-art-grief-group/2026-09-12
Registration link: https://nvc.breezechms.com/form/NVCArtGriefGroup13
Engineering Your Life: https://www.engineeringyourlife.net/