The value of constraints is often overlooked and, today, we delve into the pros and cons with someone who followed his passion for astronomy despite the constraints of his visual impairment. Dr. Nicolas Bonne is an astronomer leading the Tactile Universe Public Engagement Project and is the Public Engagement and Outreach Fellow at the University of Portsmouth in the UK. In this episode, we learn how Dr. Bonne’s route to acquiring his Ph.D. inspired his focus on developing tactile astronomy-related resources to help blind and vision-impaired people engage with current topics. We discuss the translation aspect of communicating science, how visually impaired people learn, and the undeniable benefits of the availability of tactile resources. Tune in for another inspiring science conversation, spanning everything from communicating science through sound to the intrinsic role poetry and beauty play in our understanding of the universe. 

Key Points From This Episode:

• The pros and cons of constraints.
• The Tactile Universe project Dr. Nicolas Bonne is currently working on.
• The defining moment that led Dr. Bonne to pursue astronomy.
• His journey of getting his astronomy Ph.D. with the constraints of his vision impairment.
• Examples of how he worked around the constraints.
• How blind or visually impaired people learn.
• How he got into the tactile communication of visual ideas.
• The impact the availability of tactile resources can have on visually impaired people.
• How Dr. Bonne relearned how to ask for help.
• The translation aspect of communicating science.
• How to discern between helpful and hindering constraints.
• The value of partnership.
• How Dr. Bonne’s difference affected his engagement with science.
• The incorporation of sound to communicate the science and detection of gravitational waves.
• The importance of tweaking analogies for visually impaired people.
• The role of beauty in science communications.
• Why poetry is so valuable to science.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Designing Science Conversation

Dr. Nicolas Bonne on Twitter

Tactile Universe

Falling Walls Foundation

SpacetimeLabs

Dust & Company

Nic DiPalma Creative

Making Conversation: Seven Essential Elements of Meaningful Communication

Fred Dust on Twitter

Nic DiPalma on Twitter

Arguably humanity’s greatest question in the realms of science, philosophy, and religion, is, “Are we alone in the universe?” Our guest today has committed his life to the investigation of the possibility of life and intelligence beyond Earth. Bill Diamond is the President and CEO of the SETI Institute and, in this episode, he takes us behind the scenes of the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. We learn about technological signatures and the definitive sign of life that the discovery of a techno signature would imply. Bill explains the Drake Equation and the way it informs the research conducted by the SETI Institute, and fills us in on the true purpose of the SETI endeavor. We discuss the question of evidence when searching for something that might well be beyond the human imagination, and how AI is being used to detect otherwise undetectable evidence. Tune in for everything from the importance of multidisciplinary science and funding basic research to citizen science programs, UFOs, and more.

Key Points From This Episode:

• Fred Dust explains the notion of script spotting and the role of patterns in communication.
• Introducing Bill Diamond, President and CEO of the SETI Institute.
• A brief history of the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) endeavor.
• The purpose of the SETI Institute and the notion it’s founded on.
• What the Drake Equation is and why it’s a central part of SETI’s operations.
• Why the SETI Institute studies life on Earth in its search for extraterrestrial life.
• The wide range of potentially discoverable techno signatures.
• The true purpose of the SETI endeavor.
• The importance of basic scientific research.
• The origin of Silicon Valley.
• NASA’s three fundamental science questions.
• The unlikelihood that we are alone in the universe.
• The question of evidence in the mission to detect unknown life forms.
• How AI is being used to detect evidence that might otherwise go undetected.
• Why and how the SETI Institute embraces multidisciplinary science.
• Why the institute doesn’t concern itself with unidentified aerial phenomena.
• SETI’s partnership with the Girl Scouts.
• Existing and upcoming citizen science programs.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Designing Science Conversation

Bill Diamond

SETI Institute

SETI Institute on Instagram

CAMS

SpacetimeLabs

Dust & Company

Nic DiPalma Creative

Making Conversation: Seven Essential Elements of Meaningful Communication

Fred Dust on Twitter

Nic DiPalma on Twitter

There is nothing as equally unsettling and necessary as change, particularly in the world we live in today. Joining us to discuss the welcome changes in the fields of science and innovation, is the Director of Innovation at Howard University and member of the National Faculty of the National Science Foundation's Innovation Corps program, Dr. Grant Warner. Dr. Warner opens up the conversation about failure as a signifier of change and shares his view on the mindset shift required in the academic world regarding failure. He provides insight into the military’s approach to innovation, explaining why it’s important to differentiate experimentation from institution. We touch on everything from helpful critique and human-centered pitches, to why we should be more concerned with the pathway problem, rather than the pipeline problem when it comes to facilitating black and brown scientists. Tune in to discover what it is that prevents us from seeing change and how we can become more astute in recognizing its imminence and significance.

Key Points From This Episode:

• Why change is the most pivotal piece of a conversation, prior to creation.
• Dr. Grant Warner’s origin story.
• How failure signifies change.
• Dr. Warner’s favorite failure.
• Helpful ways to give critique.
• Significant changes in the field of innovation in academia.
• The mindset shift required in the academic world around failure.
• The importance of differentiating experimentation from institution.
• The military’s approach to innovation.
• What prevents us from seeing change.
• How to recognize the imminence and significance of change.
• Customer pitches versus investor pitches.
• How pitches can change to be more human-centered.
• The pathway (as opposed to the pipeline) problem for black and brown scientists.
• The third reconstruction following the dual pandemic.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Designing Science Conversation

Dr. Grant Warner

Dr. Grant Warner on LinkedIn

NSF’s Innovation Corps

SpacetimeLabs

Dust & Company

Nic DiPalma Creative

Making Conversation: Seven Essential Elements of Meaningful Communication

Fred Dust on Twitter

Nic DiPalma on Twitter

The lens through which we view the objects of our curiosity informs the context, as do the spaces in which we choose to converse. In this episode, we look at the topic of context from various angles, with astronomical insight from the one and only Dr. Kim Arcand, Visualization Scientist and Emerging Tech Lead for NASA’s Chandra X-ray Observatory. We discuss the mnemonic quality of space and the role of context in communication before Kim shares similarities between the micro and the macro, and the comfort she found in shifting from microscope to telescope. Kim’s role as a data visualizer and science communicator involves the consideration of alternative, non-visual ways of representing the universe, making science more accessible to everyone on earth. In our conversation, she fills us in on her incredible data sonification project, as well as the challenges and benefits of mapping astrological data into three dimensions for immersive AR/VR experiences. Join us as we contemplate the equalizing effect of conversing under the stars, the beauty of marrying art and science, and so much more!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Introducing NASA data visualizer and science communicator, Dr. Kim Arcand. 
• Co-host Fred Dust explains script spotting and the role of context in communication.
• The mnemonic quality of space and how spaces inform conversations.
• Kim’s role as a visualization scientist.
• Considering non-visual ways of representing the universe.
• Kim recalls the State of Women's Summit and shares her professional history.
• Her shift from microscope to telescope, and the similarities between the micro and the macro.
• How changing the lens through which we view something shifts the context.
• Kim’s most memorable moment under the stars.
• Her reaction to hearing the sonification of the galactic center for the first time.
• The importance of alternative, non-visual representations of scientific data.
• The challenge of mapping astrological data into three dimensions for immersive experiences.
• The learning potential AR/VR offers.
• The intention of VR experiences to enrich, rather than replace the planetarium experience.
• The benefit of exploring immersive, spatially based experiences 
• The story behind Kim’s astronomical parody book, Goodnight Exomoon.
• The equalizing effect of conversing under the stars.
• The change required in the scientific field, in terms of inclusivity and diversity.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Designing Science Conversation

Dr. Kim Arcand

Chandra X-Ray Observatory

Dr. Kim Arcand on LinkedIn

Dr. Kim Arcand on Twitter

Dr. Kim Arcand on Instagram

Magnitude: The Scale of the Universe

Goodnight Exomoon

SpacetimeLabs

Dust & Company

Nic DiPalma Creative

Making Conversation: Seven Essential Elements of Meaningful Communication

Fred Dust on Twitter

Nic DiPalma on Twitter

Effective communication is challenging within a culture, but what about between cultures? Can we use traditional methods of communication to have the vital conversations needed to drive innovation? These are some of the questions we delve into in today’s conversation with Dr. Evren Tok, as we unpack the concept of script spotting. Dr. Tok is an Associate Professor and Assistant Dean of Innovation and Community Engagement at Hamad Bin Khalifa University and is also the Lead Project Investigator for Qatar National Research Priorities Program on localizing entrepreneurship education. Dr. Tok has a passion for understanding and designing ways for productive and meaningful conversations between people from all walks of life and religious backgrounds. His work focuses on the communication of ideas in a holistic way, including faith, to create context-driven solutions. He has vast experience in building mechanisms that disrupt traditional approaches to education and how we share ideas. Dr. Tok is renowned for founding the first makerspace in Qatar centered on the green economy, innovation, and entrepreneurship. In our conversation, we learn about script spotting, how it is an essential tool to drive innovation on a global scale, and how the standard approaches to education and communication limit positive change. We also discuss the role of formal and informal spaces in driving effective communication, ways to disrupt the status quo of exchanging ideas, and the role of faith and culture in creating holistic solutions to problems. Dr. Tok also explains the concept of makerspaces and tells us about a unique experiment that provided him with profound insights on the subject. Don’t miss out on this fascinating conversation and the opportunity to learn about a progressive approach to effective communication, with Dr. Evren Tok.

Key Points From This Episode:

• We start by learning what script spotting is and hear some conceptual examples.
• Dr. Tok talks about script spotting for innovation based on culture.
• He outlines some of the challenges he experienced regarding a script spotting experiment.
• Fred explains how creating a rhythm facilitates positive and productive conversation.
• Ways in which creating a physical space for exchanging ideas can be beneficial. 
• The concept of Majlis for engaging in conversation is explained.
• Learn how economic behavior is embedded in the social and cultural fabric of people.
• The role of informal spaces in exchanging ideas and information between people.
• Hear some examples of where Fred and Dr. Tok have experienced rich conversation.
• Dr. Tok shares an experience of setting up a unique makerspace. 
• Background about Dr. Tok and his professional career journey. 

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Designing Science Conversation

Dr. Evren Tok on Google Scholar

Hamad Bin Khalifa University in Qatar

Qatar National Vision 2030

Qatar Red Crescent

Qatar Red Crescent on Instagram

Qatar Red Crescent on LinkedIn

SpacetimeLabs

Dust & Company

Nic DiPalma Creative

Fred Dust on Twitter

Nic DiPalma on Twitter

Vaccine Information

In this episode of Designing Science Conversations, we are very lucky to welcome science fiction writer, consulting futurist and speaker Madeline Ashby to talk to us about the theme of clarity. Madeline is the co-author the recent How to Future: Leading and Sense-Making in an Age of Hyperchange, and we delve into some of these themes in a fascinating discussion covering ideas about gender, utopia, truth, and vulnerability. Madeline makes some very interesting points about the need for an unflinching view of future possibilities, and how this sort of clarity can allow us to really get to grips with the state of the world moving forward. We also talk about how to go about cultivating a future-facing mindset, and why this requires us to look at things that have not yet been fully examined. One of the questions we had for Madeline was about the role of imagined dystopias in creating a dystopian reality, which led to an interesting exploration of why utopia is always harder to imagine and manifest than something terrible and oppressive. Our guest makes some really thought-provoking points about the role of sacrifice in achieving a greater good, and her hopes for the evolution of the human story. Join us to hear it all!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Clarity, language, and technical diction; conversational problems we often encounter. 
• Finding and recognizing truth in today's world, and Madeline's thoughts on our possible futures. 
• Cultivating an internal nimbleness that serves your ability to think about the future.   
• The role of honest and vulnerable conversation in broadening perceptions of possibilities and probabilities.
• Our conceptions of dystopia, their impact on the reality around us, and the increased demands of utopia. 
• Some powerful ideas on how society can achieve its aims through giving up certain things. 
• Balancing opposing energies and the symbolism of the solar and lunar bodies. 
• Breaking down generational constructs and the hope that we can find in younger people. 
• Pushing the conversation forward in ways that empower people to tell their own future stories. 
• Madeline's current perspective on the reality of being a woman in the sci-fi literary world. 

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Designing Science Conversation

Madeline Ashby 

How to Future: Leading and Sense-Making in an Age of Hyperchange

Madeline Ashby on Twitter

MIT Technology Review 

ASU Center for Science in the Imagination

Kim Stanley Robinson

Nevil Shute

Joanna Russ

We Have Always Fought

Kameron Hurley

SpacetimeLabs

Dust & Company

Nic DiPalma Creative

Making Conversation: Seven Essential Elements of Meaningful Communication

Fred Dust on Twitter

Nic DiPalma on Twitter

What is the level of connection between our health and the way we relate to a community or the individuals around us? This area of inquiry is gaining more momentum, and here on the show today we have the wonderful Julianne Holt-Lunstad, whose primary area of research is concerned with these links. We have a conversation under the broader banner of the power of creative listening as a means for unpacking and dealing with modern traumas, and Julianne expertly shares some of her ideas on loneliness, isolation, and depression, especially in light of the era of the pandemic. We also talk a bit about vulnerable conversations within the scientific community and the increasing normalization of these topics in recent years. Listeners can expect to come away with great insight into the varied atmosphere of the world of science, as well as some of the ways in which the words we use affect our experience of social issues. So to catch it all with this great guest, make sure you join us today!

Key Points From This Episode:

• Introducing a few ideas about how creative listening can contribute to more meaningful communication. 
• A little about Julianne's background and the areas of investigation in her research.
• The story of how Julianne and Fred met and connected! 
• Julianne's observations about conversations about loneliness and depression in the last two years.
• The standards around having vulnerable conversations within the scientific community.  
• How Julianne's research connects our health with the relationships present in our life.  
• Unpacking the dangerous effects of loneliness and isolation.    
• The lingual impacts of using a term like 'epidemic' in our approach to dealing with isolation. 
• Fred's story about his farm, WiFi, creative listening, and consensus. 
• Julianne's findings on the relationship between isolation and issues such as gun violence and opioid abuse. 
• Experiences as a woman in science; Julianne shares a few reflections. 
• Feelings about credit, quotes, and the importance of bringing the right kind of attention to issues. 

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Designing Science Conversation

Julianne Holt-Lunstad

Julianne Holt-Lunstad Twitter

'Is Social Disconnection Comparable to Smoking?' TEDx Talk

Carl Rogers

SpacetimeLabs

Dust & Company

Nic DiPalma Creative

Making Conversation: Seven Essential Elements of Meaningful Communication

Fred Dust on Twitter

Nic DiPalma on Twitter

Welcome to the first of our podcast series on human-centered science communication. Joining us today to broadly cover the topic of commitment, is Cornell University Design and Environmental Analysis student, Brandon Hoak. In this episode, we discuss the role of commitment in conversation and the conversations required for the ecological restoration that Brandon is so committed to. Brandon provides some practical examples of ecological restoration and the benefits thereof, outlining the factors that drive people’s complacency towards a shift to natural landscapes. We discuss the historical tendency for humans to re-engineer the earth for our purposes, and the deep reflection and communication required to shift this mindset around progress. Brandon starkly states the crux of the matter with regards to climate change, and the two options we, as humanity have: destruction or restoration. We look at the ways in which to communicate the ecocentric perspective that people, planet, and profit can indeed exist synergistically. Tune in for this thought-provoking conversation on communication and commitment. 

Key Points From This Episode:

• What makes conversation such an important communication tool.
• Guest, Brandon Hoak, shares his area of focus in his studies at Cornell University.
• Brandon’s goal post-graduation.
• An example of ecological restoration for humans and non-humans.
• The role of commitment in conversation.
• Why people are resistant to reestablishing the native habitat on their properties.
• How people’s attitudes are changing towards a shift to natural landscapes.
• The mindset shift Rob has observed in Santa Monica.
• LA’s ecosystem explained.
• The question of undoing humans’ re-engineering of the earth to suit our own purposes.
• The deep reflection and communication required to shift humanity’s mindset around progress.
• The possibility for people, planet, and profit to exist together.
• The role of nature in design and communication principles
• How the endless notion of progress through technology is in direct opposition to nature.
• How best to have conversations with those who don’t understand the ecocentric perspective.
• The fork in the road we have reached as a species, in terms of climate change.
• How Brandon’s identity within the LGBTQ community has impacted his awareness and ability to engage in the scientific conversation of ecological restoration.

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Designing Science Conversation

Brandon Hoak on LinkedIn

SpacetimeLabs

Dust & Company

Making Conversation: Seven Essential Elements of Meaningful Communication

Fred Dust on Twitter

Nic DiPalma on Twitter

This podcast mini-series began as a design research project to explore an approach to science communication for a more human-centered ‘science conversation.’ We partnered with author and designer Fred Dust to record conversations with scientists and the listening audience about their questions, challenges, and achievements. After recording 8 episodes, we took a moment to reflect on the experience we shared and more perspective on what we learned. And this is the introduction to Designing Science Conversations.