On today's episode we discussed: the right way to install toilet paper, Nate (finally) joined in the conversation, how we're navigating through the covid crisis and are we supposed to be The American Church or the expression OF the Church IN America.

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So, this is the beginning..the start...the moment that it all began.  Episode 1 of the Desperate Pastor Podcast (if you listen to the entire show, you'll understand the title).  We are inviting you into our lives and ministries and looking forward to you letting us in to your lives as well.  Where do we go from here?  We're trusting God for each step.  See you soon.