If you're tired of hearing "shift left" in DevSecOps and seeing little real change, you're not alone.

In this episode, David Mytton (CEO of ArcJet, founder of Console.dev) breaks down why traditional approaches to developer security often fail. He reveals the core conflict between developers (who want to build fast) and security teams (who want to mitigate risk), and explains why this misalignment of incentives can be detrimental for your software. Learn why simply handing devs more security tools isn't enough.

David shares his insights from years of experience reviewing developer tools and building security products. He discusses the importance of developer-centric design, the power of the right incentives, and the need for security solutions that seamlessly integrate into the developer workflow. Plus, he reveals the secrets to successful developer marketing and why traditional approaches often backfire.

Tune in to discover how to foster a security-conscious culture within your engineering team, without stifling innovation or creating unnecessary friction. Learn how to empower developers to build secure software by design, and discover the tools and strategies that are shaping the future of DevSecOps.

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• Translating DevEx to the Board 
• Beyond the DORA Frameworks
• Introducing AI-Powered Code Review with gitStream

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This week, Andrew Zigler sits down with Dr. Maryam Ashoori, Senior Director of Product Management for watsonx at IBM. Together they discuss the evolving AI stack for enterprise and the growing skill gap challenging developers. Dr. Ashoori shares insights from a recent survey of 1,000 developers, highlighting the need for better tools and strategies to manage the growing AI tool sprawl.

The conversation also explores the rise of AI agents, the potential of no-code AI development, and the future of software engineering in an AI-powered world.

But first, co-host Dan Lines (COO of LinearB) sets the stakes for engineering leaders everywhere: the future of technical work will evolve with agentic capabilities. Must we all become “AI managers” now?

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This week, Ben and Andrew dive into the (surprisingly?) complex world of calculator apps, analyze how AI is revolutionizing the technical interview, and dissect the emerging “two-tier” economy around AI. What side of the curve does your org fall on?

Then, the conversation goes on site to San Francisco, where host Dan Lines hosts Rob Zuber (CTO, CircleCI) and Tara Hernandez (VP of Dev Productivity at MongoDB) for a discussion of LinearB's 2025 Software Engineering Benchmarks Report.

We unpack the report's surprising findings on the PR lifecycle, project management hygiene, DORA metrics, code quality, and predictability, with key takeaways for optimizing your engineering team's performance.

Be sure to grab your copy of the report to follow along with Dan, Rob & Tara.

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Referenced in today's show:

• "A calculator app? Anyone could make that."
• ‘Two-tier’ AI economy is emerging between startups and corporations, with large organizations falling behind, AWS EMEA chief says
• AI Killed The Tech Interview. Now What? | Kane Narraway 
• New Junior Developers Can’t Actually Code

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Ben and Andrew open the show by dissecting why AI can't see gorillas, how big banks are stepping up to attract tech talent, and why focus is becoming the must-have resource for devs.

Then, Vikram Chatterji, co-founder and CEO of Galileo, joins Andrew for a discussion on how engineering leaders can future-proof their AI strategy and navigate an emerging dilemma: the pressure to adopt AI to stay competitive, while justifying AI spend and avoiding risky investments.

To accomplish this, Vikram emphasizes the importance of establishing clear evaluation frameworks, prioritizing AI use cases based on business needs and understanding your company's unique cultural context when deploying AI.

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Referenced in today's show:

• Your AI can’t see gorillas
• How banks caught up in the battle for developer talent
• The skill of the future is not 'AI', but 'Focus'

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Live from San Francisco, Dev Interrupted explores the future of developer productivity with Ori Keren (CEO, LinearB) and Dharmesh Thakker (General Partner, Battery Ventures). The conversation, recorded before a live audience in San Francisco, examines the exciting possibilities and potential challenges of AI-powered tools, from code completion and review to the more advanced agentic AI.  

Moderated by Ben Lloyd Pearson, this episode captures the excitement of the event, including audience Q&A and feedback. Ori and Dharmesh share their insights on how these trends will shape the future of software development over the next 12 to 24 months, offering predictions and practical advice for engineering teams and leaders. Discover how these shifts will impact your work and the broader tech industry.

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Referenced in today's show:

• OpenAI CEO Sam Altman Says They've 'Been on the Wrong Side of History
• Software development topics I've changed my mind on after 10 years in the industry
• Chat is a bad UI pattern for development tools
• NASA is going to do a Twitch stream from the ISS

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To open the show, Ben and Andrew dive into the latest headlines about DeepSeek from last week. We answer questions like “why did everyone search ‘Jevons paradox'?” and discuss strategic AI investments from financial giants like Goldman Sachs. These moves underscore the growing importance of strong engineering leadership in the age of AI.

Then, Luca Rossi of Refactoring joins us to discuss his latest research. Drawing from a comprehensive survey of engineering professionals (thanks to you!), Luca breaks down the key traits and practices of successful engineering teams, revealing surprising correlations between team happiness, shipping frequency, and recognition by non-technical leadership.

Be sure to grab your copy of the report to follow along with today’s insights.

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Referenced in today's show:

• IBM cashing in on AI
• AI Stocks: How DeepSeek Changed Views On U.S.-China Artificial Intelligence Competition | Investor's Business Daily
• William Stanley Jevons
• Goldman Sachs hires Amazon exec in senior AI engineering role | Reuters

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Ben and Andrew open the show by discussing the emergence of the DeepSeek AI model, Google's shakeup of the SEO landscape, and speculate on whether or not we're seeing the death of free APIs.

Then, Ben sits down with Bernd Ruecker, Co-Founder and Chief Technologist at Camunda, to explore how low code solutions are changing the game for developers. They discuss how these tools allow developers to focus on more complex challenges, and delve into the importance of understanding when to leverage low code versus custom solutions, and the evolving role of developers in a world increasingly driven by automation.

Finally, do us a favor and fill out the Dev Interrupted listener survey! You'll be our best friend forever :-)

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• Learn more at: camunda.com
• Camundacon 2025

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Want to ship better software? Get in the fast lane.

This week, hosts Ben Lloyd Pearson and Andrew Ziegler open the episode with a discussion of some of the tech topics dominating the news cycle like Microsoft's restructuring to focus on AI, a potential TikTok ban in the U.S. and a status check on New Year's resolutions. 

Then, joined by Dan Lines, they shift their focus to the 2025 Engineering Benchmarks Report by LinearB. This in-depth conversation explores the crucial link between developer experience and productivity, the impact of project management hygiene on development, and new metrics like PR maturity and project traceability.

Within this data-driven discussion, uncover key insights on how smaller PRs boost velocity and quality, the connection between longer cycle times and increased change failure rates, and the ideal investment profiles for engineering teams.

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• Beyond the DORA Frameworks Workshop (Jan. 29, 30)
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• Watch Rob Zuber (CircleCI) & Tara Hernandez (MongoDB) explore insights from the 2025 Engineering Benchmarks Report
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Is your company relying on surveys alone to bridge the gap between developers and managers?  

In this episode of Dev Interrupted, host Ben Lloyd Pearson and Dan Lines, COO of LinearB, dive into the perceived misalignment between engineers and their leaders on improving developer experience. Together, they emphasize the importance of data-driven insights over relying solely on surveys, highlighting how quantifiable metrics can illuminate issues like technical debt and build times.  The conversation also touches on the power of setting clear, company-wide goals to boost developer experience and productivity.

Next, Conor Bronsdon, in his final episode as host, sits down with Andrew Boyagi, Atlassian's head of DevOps Evangelism. Andrew brings a wealth of knowledge on developer experience, emphasizing the need for transparency, the nuances of measuring productivity, and the crucial role of company culture in aligning development teams with business goals.

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How do you build a culture that balances operational excellence with developer happiness? By shifting from firefighting to foresight.

Kick off Season 5 of Dev Interrupted with hosts Ben Lloyd Pearson, Andrew Zigler, and Dan Lines as they share their New Year's resolutions and welcome Sowmya Subramanian, whose leadership journey spans Google, YouTube, and Oracle, to the show. From redefining metrics like DORA to adapting processes like Fix-It Weeks, Soumya discusses dismantling the “hero” mindset that rewards firefighting, aligning engineering with business priorities, and creating rituals that scale teams without sacrificing creativity.

Tune in to learn how Sowmya’s holistic approach to metrics, culture, and tooling creates resilient teams and products that scale without breaking a sweat.

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