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  • How romance novels reveal the secret history of life in America

    “Essentially, a romance is a courtship story. And if you think about it, courtship stories are part of the foundation of human storytelling” –Sarah Wendell

    Sarah Wendell (@SmartBitches) is an author and blogger whose work primarily focuses on the romance fiction genre. She is co-author of the book, Beyond Heaving Bosoms: The Smart Bitches’ Guide to Romance Novels.

    In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Sarah discuss the elements of a romance novel book cover (13:00); plot and structure of a romance novel (24:00); the history the romance genre (34:00); and the evolution of romance fiction characters and tropes (46:00).

    For more from Sarah, check out her website: Smart Bitches, Trashy Books

    Notable Links:

    • RT Booklovers Convention
    • “Where no Travel Writer has Gone Before“, by Rolf Potts (article)
    • Elements of Surprise: Our Mental Limits and the Satisfactions of Plot, by Vera Tobin (book)
    • Gone with the Wind, by Margaret Mitchell (novel and film)
    • Gone Girl, by Gillian Flynn (novel)
    • Pride and Prejudice, by Jane Austen (novel)
    • Turducken (novelty dish)
    • Fabio (romance cover model)
    • Mullet (hairstyle)
    • #MeToo movement
    • The Crazy Nastyass Honey Badger (viral video)
    • Asexuality
    • Demisexuality
    • Black Panther (film)
    • Wrinkle in Time, by Madeleine L’Engle (novel and film)
    • Simon vs. the Homo Sapiens Agenda , by Becky Albertalli (novel)
    • Highlander (film)
    • Romance novels, novelists, and genres mentioned:

      • Prowl the Night, by Crystal Jordan (romance novel)
      • The Raider, by Jude Deveraux (romance novel)
      • Jude Deveraux the Raider Barbie & Ken Set (collectible toy)
      • Sharon Shinn (romance novelist)
      • Suzanne Brockmann’s Troubleshooters series
      • Kate Duffy, editor at Kensington
      • The Flame and the Flower, by Kathleen E. Woodiwiss (romance novel)
      • Carina Press Romance Promise
      • Paranormal romance (genre)
      • Amish Vampires in Space, by Kerry Nietz (romance novel)
      • Tamed: A Menage Dinosaur Shifter Romance, by Jenny Clemens (romance novel)
      • Hot and Badgered, by Shelly Laurenston (romance novel)
      • The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

        Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at [email protected].

        1 hr 6 min
      • Ari Shaffir on travel, memory, and the odd psychology of souvenirs

        “My tattoo reminds me of who I was at that age. I was so fraught with the existential stakes—I wanted to have lived. I wanted to remind myself to be present in the world and not let youth slip” – Rolf Potts

        To celebrate the release of his new book Souvenir, Rolf welcomes back Ari Shaffir for a deep dive on the topic of souvenirs, their meaning, and their importance related to the experience of traveling (14:00). Rolf then reads an excerpt from his book (1:09:00) before exploring some of Ari’s favorite souvenirs (1:22:00).

        Ari Shaffir (@AriShaffir) is a comedian, writer, podcaster, and actor. A schedule of his upcoming comedy performances can be found here.

        To purchase Rolf’s latest book, titled Souvenir, click here.

        Notable Links:

        • Tim Ferriss (author and entrepreneur)
        • Marco Polo Didn’t Go There: Stories and Revelations From One Decade as a Postmodern Travel Writer, by Rolf Potts (book)
        • “Be Your Own Donkey,” by Rolf Potts (travel essay)
        • “Why Do We Still Buy Mass-Produced Souvenirs?” by Rolf Potts (book excerpt)
        • Jim Morrison (musician)
        • Zippo (metal cigarette lighter)
        • Damara people (African ethnic group)
        • The Zeila (shipwreck on Namibia’s Skeleton Coast)
        • Swakopmund (Namibian coastal resort town)
        • Ari Shaffir’s podcast interview with Henry Rollins
        • New Market (market in Calcutta)
        • Lamb sketch from The Simpsons
        • Mekong (Southeast Asian river)
        • Shaker furniture (style)
        • Souvenir de Paris Par’ici (gift shop)
        • Paris writing workshop
        • Animism (religious belief)
        • Harold and Maude (film)
        • Sleep No More (immersive play)
        • Flores (island in Indonesia)
        • Tottenham Hotspur (English soccer club)
        • Manchester United (English soccer club)
        • Dili (capital city of East Timor)
        • Jaco Island (uninhabited island in East Timor)
        • The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

          Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at [email protected].

          1 hr 52 min
        • Unsane writer James Greer on the death of Cobain and birth of Gen X

          “This is a thing that journalists do—they take a ‘two is a coincidence, three is a trend’ sort of thing and try to manufacture an idea out of it.” – James Greer

          James Greer is a screenwriter, music critic, author, and former rock musician. He-wrote the screenplay for Steven Soderbergh’s film Unsane, which is set for release on March 23rd.

          In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and James discuss his early career as a music critic and Spin magazine (4:00); Generation X and James’ role in popularizing this demographic cohort (13:00); the Nirvana revolution and the band’s impact on music (25:00); the legend of with Kurt Cobain (39:00); James’ post-Spin life (54:00); and his transition into screenwriting and making movies with Steven Soderbergh (1:04:00).

          Notable Links:

          • The Upside to All the Online Chatter About ‘Girls”, by Rolf Potts (article)
          • Proceeding With Caution, by David M. Gross and Sophronia Scott (article)
          • Greer’s 1991 Spin article about Perry Farrell and Generation X
          • Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture, by Douglas Coupland (book)
          • Pretty in Pink: The Golden Age of Teenage Movies, by Jonathan Bernstein (book)
          • Generation X (demographic cohort)
          • Grunge speak (hoax)
          • Richard Linklater (director)
          • Slacker (film)
          • Janeane Garofalo (comedian)
          • Jim Rose Circus
          • Bro (subculture)
          • Max Keeble’s Big Move (film)
          • Just My Luck (film)
          • Lindsay Lohan (actress)
          • Jonathan Bernstein (screenwriter)
          • Steven Soderbergh (filmmaker)
          • Sex, Lies, and Videotape (film)
          • Sex, Lies, and Videotape Movie Edition (film journal and screenplay)
          • Raiders of the Lost Ark, by Steven Spielberg (remix version by Steven Soderbergh)
          • Unsane (film)
          • Red (digital camera company)
          • Day-and-Date Release Strategy
          • John Barth (author)
          • Music-related links:

            • Spin (magazine)
            • Bob Guccione, Jr. (Spin publisher)
            • Rolling Stone (magazine)
            • Nirvana (band)
            • Lollapalooza (music festival)
            • Perry Farrell (musician)
            • Slanted and Enchanted (music album by Pavement)
            • Matador Records (indie music label)
            • Sub Pop (indie music label)
            • Nils Bernstein (music publicist)
            • Post-punk (music genre)
            • R.E.M. (band)
            • Hüsker Dü (band)
            • The Replacements (band)
            • Pixies (band)
            • Fugazi (band)
            • Soundgarden (band)
            • Sonic Youth (band)
            • Billy Idol (musician)
            • U2 (band)
            • Eddie Vedder (band)
            • Kurt Cobain (musician)
            • Janis Joplin (musician)
            • Jimi Hendrix (musician)
            • Jim Morrison (musician)
            • Ian Curtis (musician)
            • Mia Zapata (musician)
            • Kim Deal (musician)
            • Courtney Love (musician)
            • Henry Rollins (musician)
            • Guided by Voices (band)
            • Dead Moon (band)
            • Death Hags (band)
            • MTV Buzz Bin

              The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

              Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at [email protected].

              1 hr 33 min
            • The Epic One-Against-Five Foul-Out Basketball Game of 1964

              In the spirit of March Madness, Rolf brings us special episode of Deviate from the American heartland, where he tells us a basketball story about one of those “never before seen” sports moments.

              Notable Links:

              • Kipp, Kansas (town)
              • Aurora, Kansas (town)
              • Schilling Air Force Base
              • Donald J. Sobol (writer)
              • Encyclopedia Brown, by Donald J. Sobol (book series)
              • Encyclopedia Brown’s Second Record Book of Weird and Wonderful Facts
              • 1964 NCAA University Division Basketball Tournament
              • Gypsum, Kansas (town)
              • Assaria, Kansas (town)
              • Southeast of Saline School
              • The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

                Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at [email protected].

                21 min
              • Adventure writer Tim Cahill on fear, and what it’s like to be dead for ten minutes

                “I think fear comes out of ignorance.” – Tim Cahill

                Tim Cahill is a journalist, author, and pioneering travel writer.

                In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Tim discuss hooking the reader from the first line of a story (2:15); the start of Tim’s career and his early experiences in journalism (8:50); travel writing in the 1970s, and the evolution of travel writing (16:30); his relationship with risk and fear (24:00); his brush with death in the Grand Canyon (36:45); and how his connection with walking and travel has changed as he has aged (51:00).

                For more from Tim, check out his Rolling Stone and Outside archives, or his 2004 Q&A with Rolf.

                Mentioned writing by Tim Cahill

                • In the Valley of the Shadow of Death: Guyana After the Jonestown Massacre, by Tim Cahill (article)
                • The Shame of Escobilla, by Tim Cahill (article)
                • My Drowning (and other Inconveniences), by Tim Cahill (article)
                • Buried Dreams: Inside the Mind of John Wayne Gacy, by Tim Cahill (book)
                • Pecked to Death by Ducks, by Tim Cahill (book)
                • A Wolverine is Eating my Leg, by Tim Cahill (book)
                • Hold the Enlightenment, by Tim Cahill (book)
                • Jaguars Ripped my Flesh, by Tim Cahill (book)
                • Pass the Butterworms, by Tim Cahill (book)
                • Road Fever, by Tim Cahill (book)
                • Other notable links

                  • Outside Magazine (publication)
                  • Gonzo Journalism (style of journalism)
                  • In medias res (narrative technique)
                  • Walt Whitman (poet and essayist)
                  • Ernest Hemingway (author)
                  • Emily Dickinson (poet)
                  • Mark Twain (author)
                  • Bill Cardoso (journalist)
                  • Queen Charlotte Islands (i.e., Haida Gwaii)
                  • Lava Falls (Grand Canyon rapids)
                  • Paleface v. Redskin (American literary dichotomy)
                  • The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

                    Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at [email protected].

                    1 hr 2 min
                  • Filmmaker Rod Pocowatchit on Native American zombie movies and DIY film

                    “I tell people that all the time. Just do it. Just dive in and figure it out. And you’re going to make mistakes and you’re going to fail. But I learned incredible things from that first experience…just from doing that first film.” – Rod Pocowatchit

                    ”Rodrick Pocowatchit (@rawd) is a journalist, screenwriter, actor, and film director.

                    In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Rod discuss Native Americans in popular culture and movies (3:10); Native American identity (13:40); creating art within your means (23:00); Rod’s entrance into the film industry, and his distribution strategies (30:00); and pow-wow and Native American culture (42:00).

                    “Other” short clip from Rodrick Pocowatchit on Vimeo.

                    Feature films by Rodrick Pocowatchit:

                    • Dancing on the Moon
                    • Sleepdancer
                    • The Dead Can’t Dance
                    • Red Hand
                    • Notable Links

                      • Shaun of the Dead (film)
                      • Little Big Man (film)
                      • Chief Dan George (actor)
                      • Smoke Signals (film)
                      • Chris Eyre (film director)
                      • King Kung Fu (film)
                      • Guy Pocowatchit (actor)
                      • George A. Romero (filmmaker)
                      • Robert Rodriguez (filmmaker)
                      • Richard Linklater (filmmaker)
                      • Sundance Institute (film program)
                      • Native Program (film program)
                      • Rebel Without a Crew, by Robert Rodriguez (book)
                      • Sherman Alexie (writer)
                      • Pow wow (Native American cultural gathering)
                      • Grass Dance (style of Native American dance)
                      • Fancy Dance (style of Native American dance)
                      • Comanche language
                      • LA Skins Fest (film festival)
                      • American Indian LA Film and TV Awards
                      • Reporting in Indian Country “bingo card,” from the Native American Journalists Association.

                        The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

                        Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at [email protected].

                        1 hr 4 min
                      • Baseball writer Rany Jazayerli on fandom, and growing up Muslim in America

                        “When you are more focused with how other people are practicing their faith than how you are practicing it yourself, you have gone down the wrong path.” – Rany Jazayerli

                        Rany Jazayerli (@jazayerli) is a Chicago-area dermatologist, sportswriter, and co-founder of the Baseball Prospectus website. In 1998 he developed the statistical concept of Pitcher Abuse Points (PAP), which evaluates the impact of high pitch-counts in baseball.

                        In this episode of Deviate, Rolf talks to Rany about growing up the son of Syrian immigrant parents in Wichita (3:40); Rany’s move to Saudi Arabia at a young age, and his relationship with Islam, Syria, and America (14:30); the renowned 19th century Arab religious and military leader Abd el-Kader (19:00); perceptions and realities surrounding the Islamic faith and its place in American society (27:00); and Rany’s predictions for the upcoming baseball season (47:30).

                        For more recent articles from Rany, check out his Ringer article archive.

                        Notable Links

                        • A plea for tolerance, by Rany Jazayerli (ESPN article)
                        • Does This Suit Make Me Look Terrorist To You? (This American Life segment)
                        • Rany on the Royals (baseball blog)
                        • K.C. Masterpiece, by Rany Jazayerli (Grantland article)
                        • The Sweet Superstition of Rooting for the Royals, by Rolf Potts (Atlantic essay)
                        • Kansas City Star oral history of the 2014 AL Wild Card game
                        • David Schoenfield (ESPN editor)
                        • Obama’s Biggest Mistake, by Rany Jazayerli (Ringer article)
                        • Abd el-Kader and the Massacre of Damascus, by Rany Jazayerli (essay)
                        • Commander of the Faithful, by John W. Kiser (book)
                        • Emir Abd el-Kader (religious and military leader)
                        • Elkader, Iowa (town named for Abd el-Kader)
                        • Al-Assad regime (Syrian ruling family)
                        • Sunni Islam (denomination of Islam)
                        • Wahhabism (Islamic doctrine and religious movement)
                        • Nation of Islam (African-American religious movement)
                        • Dave Chappelle (American Muslim comedian)
                        • Lupe Fiasco (American Muslim rapper)
                        • Anti-Catholicism in the United States
                        • Islamophobia in the United States
                        • Mao II, by Don Delillo (novel)
                        • The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

                          Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at [email protected].

                          51 min
                        • Sophfronia Scott on God, mid-life career change, and defining a generation

                          “You have to understand your own particular journey — and what you need as a writer, and who you are, and what you want out of the publishing process — because that’s what is going to help you make decisions.” – Sophfronia Scott

                          In this episode of Deviate, Rolf speaks with Sophfronia Scott about her working-class Ohio upbringing, and the background behind her name (2:40); her beginnings at TIME Magazine and her groundbreaking article on Generation X (13:00); her mid-life career change and commitment to a career as an author (30:00); her spiritual journey (40:00); and dealing with her son’s experience as a student at Sandy Hook Elementary (49:00).

                          Sophfronia Scott (@Sophfronia) is a writer and author who has debuted three books in the past year, including Unforgivable Love, which retells the tale of Dangerous Liasons in 1940s Harlem; This Child of Faith, a spiritual memoir that touches on the school shooting at Sandy Hook; and Love’s Long Line, a collection of essays.

                          For more information on Sophfronia, including a full list of her publications, check out https://sophfronia.com/

                          Notable Links

                          • Proceeding with Caution by Sophfronia Scott and David M. Gross (TIME article)
                          • Stephen Koepp, TIME editor
                          • Generation X Reconsidered (TIME, 1997)
                          • Great Migration (African-American demographic shift)
                          • Lorain, Ohio (Sophfronia’s hometown)
                          • Thirtysomething (television series)
                          • Girls (television series)
                          • Annie Dillard (author)
                          • Toni Morrison (novelist)
                          • Robert Vivian (writer)
                          • VeggieTales (children’s TV show)
                          • Top Ten Reasons to be Episcopalian, by Robin Williams
                          • Frederick Buechner (writer and theologian)
                          • Dietrich Bonhoeffer (theologian)
                          • Peter J. Gomes (preacher and theologian)
                          • Rob Bell (author and pastor)
                          • Thomas Merton (writer and theologian)
                          • Confessions of a Guilty Bystander, by Thomas Merton (book)
                          • The Journals of Thomas Merton (book series)
                          • The Asian Journal of Thomas Merton (book)
                          • Surprised by Hope, by N.T. Wright (book)
                          • Rumi (poet)
                          • Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting
                          • How Faith Helped My Son After He Survived Sandy Hook, by Sophfronia Scott
                          • The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

                            Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at [email protected].

                            1 hr 1 min
                          • The weird and complicated history of America’s national anthem

                            “The magic of history is that the simple, received wisdom we have turns out to be just one part of the story, and we discover a lot about ourselves when we go deeper into it.” – Mark Clague

                            In this episode of Deviate, Rolf deep-dives into the Star Spangled Banner, covering topics including the origins and historical backdrop for the writing of Star Spangled Banner (9:20); the irony of using a British melody for the United States national anthem, and the “lost stanzas” of the original poem (23:12); the song’s complicated history, including specific criticisms (35:00); and the evolution of the song in tandem with our national identity (44:00).

                            This week’s expert, Mark Clague (@usmusicscholar), is a musicology professor at the University of Michigan. He has researched all forms of music in the United States; his recent projects focus on the United States national anthem.

                            For more information on Mark, please check out his Star Spangled Music website, his Star Spangled Songbook, his Poets & Patriots music compilation, and his podcast.

                            Notable Links

                            • Francis Scott Key (lawyer and poet)
                            • War of 1812
                            • Fort McHenry
                            • Woodstock (festival)
                            • To Anacreon in Heaven (song)
                            • Broadside ballad (music type)
                            • Gentlemen’s Club (traditional British social club)
                            • Anacreontic Society (music-themed gentlemen’s club)
                            • Jimi Hendrix (musician)
                            • Alexander Hamilton (Founding Father)
                            • Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (composer)
                            • Joseph Haydn (composer)
                            • When the Warrior Returns by Francis Scott Key (poem)
                            • Oh Say, Do You Hear (“Abolitionist Star Spangled Banner”)
                            • Corps of Colonial Marines
                            • America (Neil Diamond song)
                            • God Bless the USA (Lee Greenwood song)
                            • Performances and adaptations of The Star-Spangled Banner
                            • Mentioned renditions of the Star Spangled Banner

                              • Marvin Gaye rendition of Star Spangled Banner (at the 1983 NBA All-Star Game)
                              • “The All-Star Anthem,” from Grantland
                              • Jimi Hendrix rendition of Star Spangled Banner (at the Woodstock Festival)
                              • “When Jimi Hendrix Protested the National Anthem on a National Stage,” From SPIN
                              • José Feliciano rendition of Star Spangled Banner (at 1968 MLB World Series)
                              • “A Polarizing Performance by Jose Feliciano in 1968,” from the New York Times
                              • Whitney Houston rendition of Star Spangled Banner (at 1991 Super Bowl)
                              • “When Whitney Hit the High Note,” from ESPN
                              • The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

                                Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at [email protected].

                                58 min
                              • What it’s like to be a Latino police officer in America

                                “I want to be as clear as I can be on this. Mental health is one of the largest problems we have in society today.” – James Espinoza

                                Lt. James Espinoza is a 25-year veteran of the Wichita Police Department. His father, John Espinoza, who came from a large Mexican-American family in Hutchinson, Kansas, was also a career police officer. James and Rolf attended Wichita North High School together in the 1980s.

                                In this episode of Deviate, Rolf speaks with James about his decision to become a police officer (2:30); community policing (11:05); being a rookie on the police force (18:15); dangers involved with the job (25:30) bad police officers versus bad administrative policies (30:00); changes in policing and technology (34:40); mental health (39:15); and what is misunderstood and underappreciated about police officers (43:15).

                                Notable Links

                                • Broken windows theory
                                • Rodney King
                                • Community policing
                                • PR24 nightstick
                                • Police body cameras
                                • Fleeing felon rule
                                • Police crisis intervention team (CIT)
                                • Wichita Massacre (the Carr Brothers)
                                • BTK Strangler (serial killer)
                                • USA Gymnastics sex abuse scandal
                                • Stephen Schneider case
                                • COPS (TV show)
                                • The Wire (TV show)
                                • Baltimore Rising (HBO documentary)
                                • “Smoke & Ride” by Cadence, featuring Ace Trill & Twansac
                                • The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

                                  Note: We don’t host a “comments” section, but we’re happy to hear your questions and insights via email, at [email protected].

                                  49 min

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