Chicago grit meets South Florida heat this week on Devil’s Advocate, as Derek Martin and Adam Rossen square off on censorship, cheeseburgers, clout, and credibility… and things get hot—“South Florida hot.”

On today’s show, we’re debating medium-spicy topics from fast food regulation to whether lawyers should be TikTok famous (spoiler: probably not).

But the chaos didn’t stop there… Derek and Adam put their imagination to the test by inventing a definition for the totally made-up word “plorish.”

Call it comedy, call it courtroom training—just don’t call it credible legal advice.

🗣️ Social Media Censorship or Free Speech?
Adam argued for curbing harmful content to protect society, while Derek fired back that moderation’s a slippery slope. The real question: do you trust big tech or the wisdom of the crowd?

🍔 Fast Food Freedom vs. Regulation Nation
Should the government police your burger habit? Derek says protect public health, Adam says keep the McNuggets coming (Walmart scooters included).

📱 Are Influencers the New Celebrities?
Adam insists TikTokers have star power. Derek says real fame takes more than selfies and pranks.

⚖️ Lawyers on Social Media: Credible or Corny?
Is going viral a marketing edge or a professional risk? Both sides threw jabs at #LawTok.

🐙 Define: “Plorish”
The only definition battle you’ll ever want to witness.

Final Verdict:
Call it a hung jury: Derek roasted influencers, Adam defended fast food freedom, and somehow “plorish” left us all questioning reality.

Psst! Got a devilish topic you want our guests to debate in a future episode? Comment of DM us with #DevilsAdvocate or send us a smoke signal. Or just email us like a normal person at [email protected].

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New episodes of Devil’s Advocate dropping every month! Come for the chaos, stay for the accidental insight.

Featured Guests:
Adam Rossen, CEO & Founding Attorney, Rossen Law Firm

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamrossen
• Website: https://www.rossenlawfirm.com

Derek Martin, Owner & Managing Partner, Driver Defense Team

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/derekpmartin
• Website: https://www.driverdefenseteam.com

Welcome back to Devil’s Advocate, the show where legal debate meets comedic chaos! In this episode, we’re putting two partners from the Richmond Vona law firm, John Richmond and Keith Vona, through our signature debate gauntlet.

This week, we’re debating everything from Google Ads ethics (should you bid on a competitor’s name?) to whether lowering legal fees is noble… or dangerously naive.

And of course, it wouldn’t be Devil’s Advocate without a ridiculous twist: each of our guests must define a completely fake word. If you’ve ever wanted to hear two sharp trial lawyers debate plastic straws, insurance companies, and the true meaning of “verdantine,” buckle up.

Let’s spin the wheel and see where the chaos takes us!

Highlights from the Showdown:

🤼🏽‍♂️ SEO Smackdown: Is It King or Just Table Stakes?

John and Keith flip the script on law firm marketing. One argues SEO is the holy grail—while secretly believing it's overhyped. Cue: BBQs vs. backlinks, and one very passionate rant about Google.

📊 Billboards vs. Digital Niches

Both say go niche, go digital. But are lawyers turning into full-on marketers? (Spoiler: yes—and they kind of love it.)

🥤 Plastic Straws: Misunderstood Heroes?

No one said ban them. Somewhere, a coffee shop silently rejoiced.

 

• Should you ever settle when you could trial-by-fire it instead?
• Is NYC making you gritty or just too dependent on Seamless?
• And are lawyers now expected to be content creators, too?
• BBQs, billboards, and the ethics of subway rage—all covered.
• No CLE credit offered. Emotional damage? Possible.

Psst! Got a devilish topic you want our guests to debate in a future episode? Comment of DM us with #DevilsAdvocate or send us a smoke signal. Or just email us like a normal person at [email protected].

Subscribe to MeanPug Digital on YouTube & turn on notifications so you don’t miss a debate: https://www.youtube.com/@meanpugdigital

Follow us on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/devils-advocate-lawyer-v-lawyer-game-show/id1813413142

New episodes of Devil’s Advocate dropping regularly(ish). Come for the chaos, stay for the accidental insight.

Featured Guests:
Keith Vona, Partner at Richmond Vona, LLC:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keith-vona-41b6aa13

Website: https://www.richmondvona.com/our-attorneys/keith-r-vona

John Richmond, Partner at Richmond Vona, LLC:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-richmond-66421a12

Website: https://www.richmondvona.com/our-attorneys/john-e-richmond

On the latest episode of Devil’s Advocate, things got extra spicy as lawyer Bob Simon [Simon Law Group] and non-lawyer Chris Dreyer [Rankings.io] went head-to-head on everything from business strategies… to fast food favorites (yes, even the best breakfast burrito on the menu).

But here’s the twist: they had to argue the opposite of what they actually believe. A true test of wit, perspective—and legal-level improvisation.

Highlights from the showdown:

🧠 Arguing the Other Side Sharpens Your Own

• Taking the opposite stance—whether it’s about pineapple on pizza or pricing strategy—forces deeper thinking and sharper communication. Great practice for law, business, and life.

💼 Business Insights You Won’t Hear Elsewhere

• Does offering lower legal fees really help clients—or does it tank service quality? Both sides brought fire to this hot-button issue.

🎲 Embracing Randomness Leads to Creative Gold

• From naming made-up words (shoutout to “glimber”) to defending fast food hot takes, the chaos sparked genuinely useful ideas.

Whether you're a legal pro, a curious business leader, or just in it for the banter, this episode delivers fresh perspective—and probably leaves you craving a McMuffin.

👉 What debate should we tackle next? Drop your idea below.

Is justice just another line item on a spreadsheet? Will Google allow you to have a castle? If these questions don't make sense or sound interesting- you are in the right place! 

Welcome to another episode of Devil’s Advocate, where the only thing hotter than the debates are the takes themselves! 

Hosted by Bobby and Andrew, this special installment—“Battle of the R’s”—brings together marketing pros Ryan Makris (Founder of Very Decent Marketer) and Ron Latz (Fractional CMO, LegalFenix) for a high-stakes marketing twist on our classic lawyer showdown. 

This episode spins the Wheel of Misfortune and careens through a gauntlet of controversial questions, from whether sex work and marijuana should be legal, to the perils and perks of AI in personal injury law and the impact of non-lawyer ownership in the legal world. But as always, there’s a devilish twist: our guests must argue for the OPPOSITE of what they actually believe! 

Expect hot debates on tough topics: Should you separate the artist from their art? Is bidding on a competitor’s name in Google Ads fair game or marketing malice? 

Along the way, wild hypotheticals, laugh-out-loud analogies, and a dash of absurdity keep things entertaining. If you’re ready for sharp wit, strong opinions, and the wackiest metal band brainstorm you’ve ever heard, grab your pitchfork and join us in the courtroom from hell. Let the depravity commence! 

This episode of Devil's Advocate is brought you by MeanPug, the legal marketing agency for law firms, and produced by Reignite Media. 

Ryan Macris: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-makris/ 

Ron Latz: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronlatz/

Welcome to Devil’s Advocate—a business podcast for lawyers, marketers, and mischief-makers where the arguments are unserious, the comedy’s questionable, and chaos is the business model.

In our diabolical debut episode, two brave souls—Morris Lilienthal and Erik Heninger—step into the inferno. The catch? They’ve got to debate red-hot topics with one major twist: they’re arguing the opposite of what they actually believe. Chaos? Absolutely. Comedy? Obviously. Educational? ...Debatable.

Hosted by Bobby and Andrew of MeanPug, this show throws real lawyers into fake debates with one rule: you must argue the exact opposite of what you actually believe. If that sounds ridiculous—it is. That’s the point.

Coming Up On This Premiere Episode of Devil’s Advocate by MeanPug:

Wheel of Misfortune
The debut of our brand-new legal torture device: spin the wheel, get a word, and argue your opponent’s made-up definition. This week’s word? Dravish. Fake? Definitely. Hilarious? Also yes.

Hot Topics with Cold Takes
Should sex work and marijuana be legalized? Morris and Erik trade sides, defend positions they’d never touch in real life, and somehow manage to sound almost convincing.

Mandatory Voting
Does democracy work better when you force people to show up? Both attorneys go full dystopian and full idealist—all in the same 10 minutes.

Also Debated (With Questionable Logic):

- Is the death penalty an effective deterrent?
- Are plastic straws the real villain?
- Is the medical malpractice system broken or just misunderstood?
- And should you ever settle a case when you could just trial-by-fire it?
- Football metaphors and Tesla analogies included at no extra charge.

Final Verdict?
Erik squeaks out the win (barely), Bobby and Andrew name the real MVP (the word “dravish”), and Yitz just wants someone—anyone—to stay on topic.

We Want to Hear From You
Who won your (unserious) vote? Got a spicy topic or cursed legal question you want to hear argued next? Tag us with #DevilsAdvocatePodcast or send us a smoke signal. Or just email us like a normal person.

Subscribe to “Devil’s Advocate”: New episodes dropping regularly(ish). Come for the chaos, stay for the accidental insight.

Featured Guests:

Morris Lilienthal: Martinson and Beason, P.C.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/alabamacaraccidentattorney

https://www.martinsonandbeason.com/attorneys/morris-h-lilienthal

Erik Heninger: Heninger Garrison Davis LLC

https://www.hgdlawfirm.com/lawyers/erik-s-heninger 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/erik-heninger-1b984b34b