This week on the Active Self Protection Podcast we sit down with retired Port Jervis, New York Police Sergeant Michael Worden as he tells us about the day he had to pull the trigger on a deranged man who threatened him, his partners and a hospital parking lot full of people with a live grenade. Then we sit down with investigative reporter Stephen Gutowski of thereload.com and talk about Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams recent comments about possible future permitless carry legislation. Active Self Protection exists to help good, sane, sober, moral, prudent people in all walks of life to more effectively protect themselves and their loved ones from criminal violence. On the ASP Podcast you will hear the true stories of life or death self defense encounters from the men and women that lived them. If you are interested in the Second Amendment, self defense and defensive firearms use, martial arts or the use of less lethal tools used in the real world to defend life and family, you will find this show riveting.  Join host and career federal agent Mike Willever and the rest of the ASP staff as they talk to real life survivors and hear their stories in depth. You'll hear about these incidents and the self defenders from well before the encounter occurred on through the legal and emotional aftermath. Title music by Jorikbasov.