Do Good Work

Do Good Work

By Raul Hernandez OchoaBusinessEntrepreneurshipMarketing
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Do Good Work episodes

  • How to Get Profitable AI: What the 6% Do Differently With Keith Jacobs and Grant Baldwin

    In this episode, I talked with Keith Jacobs, CEO of geniant, and Grant Baldwin, Partner at geniant, about why most AI investments never show up on the P&L, and what the small group of companies making real money on AI actually does differently. Grant walks through a McKinsey study of 1,700 companies where only 6% are making real money on AI, and Keith and Grant make the case that what sets that 6% apart is redesigning how the work gets done instead of automating a broken process, what Keith calls paving the cow path. We get into why geniant puts anthropologists and psychologists to work before its designers start building with AI, the Olympic level of performance employees will need once the busy work disappears, and why leadership has to clear the path from the top or AI initiatives slow down considerably. We also run a thought experiment on the future of software, closing the context gap until every piece of software is custom to the person using it, and talk about who should own your data and why an opt-in model matters.

    Chapters:

    • 00:00 The Olympian Worker
    • 02:35 Performing at a Higher Level
    • 06:46 Building the Right Thing
    • 09:51 The 6% Making Real Money
    • 11:53 Paving the Cow Path
    • 15:52 Scared to Admit Using AI
    • 17:54 Air Cover From the Top
    • 20:49 A Behavior First Operating Model
    • 22:46 Staying Optimistic About the Risk
    • 24:45 100 Times More Capable
    • 27:23 Closing the Context Gap
    • 30:48 Who Should Own Your Data
    • 33:19 Every Employee Owns Equity
    • 36:38 Thinking Like a CEO
    • Connect with Keith & Grant:

      • geniant
      • geniant on LinkedIn
      • Keith Jacobs on LinkedIn
      • Connect with Raul:

        • Work with Raul
        • Free Growth Resources
        • Connect with Raul on LinkedIn (DMs open)
        • 42 min
        • How to Price to Value: Most B2B Sales Are About Risk Transfer With Garrick van Buren

          In this episode, I talked with Garrick Van Buren about pricing as value creation and why every price is really set against the status quo of “doing nothing,” meaning you must outcompete the comfort of not fixing a problem. We break down value as transformation from current to future state and how to quantify it through revenue gains, cost savings, time savings, and especially retention/churn, with examples like a real estate brokerage commission tool where agent retention drove the true value. Garrick shares his “value stack,” customer rediscovery interviews to uncover unpriced value and unmet needs, and a “How’s My Driving” approach to re-segment customers and refine positioning. We also discuss AI, speed-to-value premiums, services vs product tradeoffs, incremental pricing rollouts, and why founders must remove their own money emotions from pricing using metrics like percentage of annual revenue and risk mitigation.


          00:00 Pricing Against Status Quo

          04:34 Quantifying Value Shifts

          06:24 Revenue Retention and Churn

          08:35 The Value Stack Framework

          09:59 Real Estate CFO Case Study

          14:17 Net New Value With AI

          17:52 Customer Rediscovery Calls

          19:56 Unpriced Value and Missing Offers

          21:31 Services Strategy and Time to Value

          23:21 AI as New KPI

          24:41 Niching and Positioning

          25:01 Customer Rediscovery Buckets

          27:03 Pricing Power Signals

          29:18 Incremental Price Rollouts

          33:02 AI Discounts Debate

          34:26 Speed to Value Premium

          39:23 Jobs to Be Done Lens

          42:28 Detach Emotions from Pricing

          45:40 Risk Transfer and Credibility


          Connect with Garrick: 

          • https://forstarters.substack.com

          • https://linkedin.com/in/garrickvanburen

          • https://pricingfromthestart.com


          Connect with Raul: 

          • Work with Raul: https://dogoodwork.io/apply 

          • Free Growth Resources: https://dogoodwork.io/free-growth-resources

          • Connect with Raul on LinkedIn (DMs open): https://www.linkedin.com/in/dogoodwork/ 

          48 min
        • How Phillip Berry Bootstrapped Northwind for 18 Years to Do What $500 Billion Giants Can't

          In this episode, I sat down with Phil Berry, founder and CEO of Northwind Health, who has bootstrapped the company for nearly 18 years to over 100 people and close to $100M in revenue while taking on massive healthcare incumbents. We compare his early survival-mode years—keeping headcount lean, fearing payroll, and carrying the business himself—with his shift toward intentional growth, leadership hiring, and asking what the business is “called to do” beyond his personal identity. Phil shares how meaning emerged through employee wins and patient outcomes, shaped by his Catholic faith and a focus on human dignity, which he frames as serving “souls,” not “lives” or “belly buttons.” We also unpack why the healthcare system functions as “sick care,” why big players can’t structurally reduce costs, and how Northwind aims to scale high-touch, waste-removing, outcomes-driven care.


          01:13 Founder Mindset Shifts

          02:18 Early Hiring and Survival

          06:24 Finding Meaning in Work

          10:25 Planning Beyond Survival

          13:10 Belief and Big Bets

          14:42 Stewardship and Scaling

          20:04 Separating Identity from Business

          22:08 Is Growth Always Right

          26:46 Leading in the Tension

          30:06 Human Flourishing Thesis

          34:01 Fixing Sick Care at Scale

          39:14 Human Dignity in Healthcare

          42:49 Defining a Human Soul

          Connect with Phillip: 

          • Northwind https://www.northwindhealth.com

          Personal website: https://www.phillipberry.com

          [email protected]


          Connect with Raul: 

          • Work with Raul: https://dogoodwork.io 

          • Free Growth Resources: https://dogoodwork.io/resources

          • Connect with Raul on LinkedIn (DMs open): https://www.linkedin.com/in/dogoodwork/ 

          49 min
        • How to Close In on the Last 8%: The Part of Every Hard Conversation We Leave Unsaid With Bill Benjamin

          I sat down with Bill Benjamin to break down his research on the “last 8%”—the small but crucial part of a difficult conversation or decision we often hold back because it feels risky. Bill shares how the idea started with two executives, then expanded through studies of 34,000+ people, showing we leave an average of 7.56% unsaid, and why our brains treat conflict like a threat. We talk about recognizing last 8% moments through body cues and behaviors, the two pillars of high-performing teams (connection and courage), and common defaults like avoiding or “making a mess.” We also cover why psychological safety alone isn’t enough, how leaders can model curiosity and set team norms, and why these human skills matter even more as AI adoption struggles due to fear and disengagement.


          00:07 Why We Hold Back

          01:33 What the Research Shows

          02:36 Brain Science of Fear

          03:06 Last Eight Percent Moments

          03:42 Individual vs Environment

          05:03 Body Awareness Framework

          07:58 Beyond Psychological Safety

          09:53 Avoiders and Make a Mess

          11:10 Skillful Hard Conversations

          12:32 Founder Modeling and Norms

          14:50 AI Makes Humans Matter

          18:51 Disengagement and Connection

          20:09 Who Does It Best

          22:20 Bill Personal Turning Point

          24:06 Toughest Partner Moment


          Connect with Bill: 

          • www.ihhp.com

          • https://www.linkedin.com/in/bill-benjamin-12b671/


          Connect with Raul: 

          • Work with Raul: https://dogoodwork.io 

          • Free Growth Resources: https://dogoodwork.io/resources

          • Connect with Raul on LinkedIn (DMs open): https://www.linkedin.com/in/dogoodwork/ 

          31 min
        • AI As Strategy Workshop: Work And Grow At The Speed of Your Thoughts

          AI As Strategy Workshop: Work and Grow at the Speed of Your Thoughts

          Most conversations about AI begin with the model. This workshop begins with the business.


          In this episode explores AI as a strategy question across ownership, ethics, operating design, pricing, and net new value. Raul breaks down the AI COO harness he built for Do Good Work, explains the 5 ingredients inside it, and shares practical examples of how agents support his work without taking control of the relationships or decisions that matter.


          Use the episode as a workshop with your team. By the end, you will have 2 questions to work through: what you wish your business could do today, and where your business model will need to evolve next.


          What You'll Learn

          • Why a good model is just a brilliant stranger, and what makes AI useful inside a real business
          • The 3 parts of AI sovereignty: your data, the model, and the harness around both
          • How the restaurant analogy explains orchestrators, agents, skills, hooks, memory, and rules
          • The 5 ingredients every owned AI system needs
          • Why every product carries a belief about people, and how Raul's 9 operating values protect human flourishing
          • Why memory, security, compliance, and human approval have to be designed together
          • The difference between automation, augmentation, and net new value
          • 5 examples from Raul's AI COO, including daily briefings, content production, searchable business memory, relationship research, and quality control
          • How AI moves value up the Service Stack toward judgment, transformation, accountability, and belief
          • The 4 pricing choices in the New Value Quadrant
          • Why speed to value is becoming a critical measure for product and fulfillment teams
          • 2 reflection questions to help you decide where AI belongs in your business

          Chapters

          [00:00] Why I'm sharing this workshop
           [01:14] Work and grow at the speed of your thoughts
           [01:24] The goal: own your AI instead of only renting access
           [01:45] What the workshop will help you decide
           [02:10] Why I built my own AI COO
           [03:14] The experience that shaped what I built
           [03:48] AI sovereignty: data, model, and harness
           [04:33] Why a good model is just a brilliant stranger
           [05:17] The restaurant analogy for an AI harness
           [06:43] The 5 ingredients: agents, skills, hooks, memory, and rules
           [08:29] Human flourishing and the values inside the system
           [10:43] Why memory improves the system over time
           [11:08] Security, compliance, and human approval
           [12:04] One orchestrator with a team of specialists
           [14:06] What AI actually makes possible
           [14:38] Automation, augmentation, and net new value
           [19:54] Examples from inside my own AI COO
           [24:28] Quality loops and the chain
           [26:10] How AI moves value up the Service Stack
           [28:08] The AI pricing trap
           [29:40] How service business pricing is already changing
           [30:21] The 4 choices in the New Value Quadrant
           [34:46] Speed to value as a new KPI
           [35:31] Why the advantage window will not stay open forever
           [36:34] The written workshop and reflection questions
           [36:49] Question 1: what do you wish you could do but are not doing
           [38:34] Question 2: where will your business model evolve
           [39:37] The build manual and additional resources


          Reflection Questions

          1. What do you wish you could do, but are not doing today?


          Name the bottleneck, opportunity, client outcome, product, or operating improvement you already know deserves attention. Then decide whether it is actually solvable with AI, which data and model it requires, what should live in the harness, and which decisions must stay human.


          2. Where will your business model evolve, or be forced to change?

          Review your value proposition, customer segments, channels, customer relationships, revenue structure, costs, and key partners. Look for where AI compresses an input and where that new capacity can create greater value for the people you serve.


          Resources


          Free Build Manual

          • The AI Growth Harness Manual: the open sourced architecture to build an owned AI system with your own agent

          More on Strategy

          • How AI Will Evolve the 7 Parts of Your Consulting Business Model
          • On Creating Net New Value
          • The New Value Quadrant: How to Price in the Agentic Era
          • The Service Stack: What Remains When AI Eats Client Services


          39 min
        • Every Product You Ship Has an Anthropology with Taylor Black from the AI and Venture Ecosystems at Microsoft & the Leonum Institute for AI and Emerging Technologies

          In this episode, I sit down with Taylor Black, who leads AI and venture ecosystem work in Microsoft’s Office of the CTO and brings a deep “better-formed humans” conviction to the AI conversation. We draw a hard line between intelligence (statistical knowing) and insight—where a human knower makes the categorical leap to “this is true,” what Taylor calls grasping the “virtually unconditioned.” We talk about how LLMs can pattern experience to help us reach insight but can’t replace judgment, and why venture building should be anthropology-first: every product ships an implicit view of the human person. We cover the risk of using AI as an oracle that shortcuts productive struggle (especially in education), the importance of humility and sustaining the tension of inquiry for product-market fit, and Taylor’s “cold storage” idea—using AI as a context engine to shelve, monitor, and revive ventures when conditions change. We close on the key builder question: not what can we build, but what ought we build?


          02:08 Intelligence vs Insight

          02:58 Statistical Knowing

          05:02 Virtually Unconditioned

          09:02 Using AI Without Outsourcing Judgment

          11:39 Formation in Venture Building

          14:19 Anthropology First Product Design

          17:56 Hard Rules for Human Flourishing

          18:53 What Ought We Build

          21:20 Humility and Idea Flow Playbooks

          24:19 Probabilistic Products and Implicit Anthropology

          28:48 AI as Oracle in Education

          34:29 Cold Storage for Venture Ideas


          Connect with Taylor: 

          • https://substack.com/@pourbrew

          • https://www.linkedin.com/in/blacktaylor/ 

          • https://leonum.catholic.edu/

          • https://innovate.pourbrew.me/


          Connect with Raul: 

          • Work with Raul: https://dogoodwork.io

          • Free Growth Resources: https://dogoodwork.io/resources

          • Connect with Raul on LinkedIn (DMs open): https://www.linkedin.com/in/dogoodwork/ 

          38 min
        • Why Resistance Means Change Is Working with Michael Lopez, Fortune 500 Transformation Consultant

          In this episode, I sit down with Michael Lopez, a Fortune 500 transformation consultant and author of “Change,” to break down why stress and resistance can be biological signs that change is working and why leaders often abandon transformation too early. We unpack Michael’s national workforce study, Rethinking Change Management, which surveyed 1,000 U.S. employees and found “zero overlap” between the top five change supports companies provide (like emails, newsletters, and training) and the top five things employees say they actually need (time and space to experiment, coaching, permission to fail, and leaders modeling change). We also discuss the AI readiness gap—65% of executives feeling ready versus about 29% of employees—and how “licenses without direction” leads to passive resistance and stalled pilots. Michael shares what real change requires: honest expectations, redesigned incentives, and an 18–24 month adaptation journey.


          01:12 Stress Means Progress

          03:29 Diagnosing Change Problems

          05:22 Nuclear Plant Case Study

          07:32 Why Playbooks Fail

          09:58 The Easy Button Trap

          12:23 Pricing Change Work

          16:42 Zero Overlap Finding

          19:37 AI Readiness Gap

          22:40 Redesigning Change Strategy


          Connect with Michael: 

          • www.michaeljlopez.coach, IG - @michaeljlopez9, LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-j-lopez9/ , X - @MichaelJLopez9


          Connect with Raul: 

          • Work with Raul: https://dogoodwork.io/apply 

          • Free Growth Resources: https://dogoodwork.io/free-growth-resources

          • Connect with Raul on LinkedIn (DMs open): https://www.linkedin.com/in/dogoodwork/ 

          30 min
        • The Thing That's Slowing Your Company Down Is Also Your Biggest Opportunity with Jim Schleckser (The CEO Project)

          In this episode, I’m joined by Jim Schleckser, founder and CEO of The CEO Project, to break down how CEOs identify and fix the real constraint in their business. We cover practical signals for finding the “kink in the hose,” including where inventory accumulates, cycle time slows, congestion builds, or customer complaints spike—and why top-performing CEOs consistently spend meaningful time at the constraint. Jim explains when the CEO becomes the bottleneck (as the constant decider or by staying stuck in a functional role) and shares his Five Hats framework: learner/analyst and player to find constraints, and architect, coach, and engineer to solve them through business design, talent, and systems. We also dig into why values and mission are part of the operating system, Jim’s grounded view of AI as mostly augmentation amid hype, and what business types may be more resilient long term.


          01:25 Why Constraints Matter

          03:27 Finding the Business Kink

          04:51 When the CEO Is Bottleneck

          07:27 Five Hats Framework

          09:14 Design Talent Systems Fixes

          12:27 Big Model Shifts and Pivots

          13:24 Balancing CEO Hats Over Time

          13:59 Client Story Clairvoyant Service

          14:38 Firing Unprofitable Clients

          15:39 Small Shifts That Matter

          16:13 AI as Human Amplifier

          17:06 Hype Cycles and ROI

          18:39 Is AI Creating New Value

          21:18 Professional Services Pricing Shock

          22:29 Best Businesses in an AI Future

          24:46 Constraints Versus Opportunities

          25:19 CEO Surprises and AI Doomsday


          Connect with Jim: 

          • IG: @the_ceoproject

          • Twitter: @the_CEO_Project 

          • YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@CEOProject 

          • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimschleckser/ 

          • Links: Podcast: https://theceoproject.com/the-podcast/ 

          • Website: https://theceoproject.com/ and https://jimschleckser.com/great-ceos-are-lazy/


          Connect with Raul: 

          • Work with Raul: https://dogoodwork.io

          • Free Growth Resources: https://dogoodwork.io/resources

          • Connect with Raul on LinkedIn (DMs open): https://www.linkedin.com/in/dogoodwork/ 


          31 min
        • How John Johnson, CEO of Patmos Is Building Infrastructure Hyperscalers Can't Control

          I sat down with John Johnson, founding CEO of Patmos Hosting, to unpack how he bootstrapped a data center company with no outside capital after a big tech host threatened to cancel a client, leading him to pursue independence by “controlling the dirt.” We talk about his rule “he who pays, rules,” why he believes VC money erodes a founder’s mission, and how owning infrastructure and going upstream helps you control your destiny and protect your data. John also explores AI’s risks—counterfeit human personhood and reducing humans to artifacts—while arguing for a renaissance where authentic humanity becomes a premium. He shares how Patmos is redeveloping the old Kansas City Star printing press into a C-PACE financed, assessed clean-energy data center plus a downtown tech hub to create jobs and urban renewal. We also discuss his Albertus Magnus Institute and his North Star: human freedom.


          03:25 Counterfeit Humanity & the Organic Human Market

          08:07 AI and the Technocratic Paradigm

          11:21 The Human Renaissance: Practical Counter-Revolution

          14:08 Owning the Dirt: Freedom Through Education & Independence

          14:20 John's Journey: From Ministry to Data Centers

          22:55 Patmos: Free Speech Hosting & AI Infrastructure

          27:23 Data Centers, Sustainability & The Kansas City Story

          32:20 Owning Your Own Data & Patmos Phase Two

          Connect with John: 

          • https://patmos.tech/

          • https://magnusinstitute.org/


          Connect with Raul: 

          • Work with Raul: https://dogoodwork.io

          • Free Growth Resources: https://dogoodwork.io/resources

          • Connect with Raul on LinkedIn (DMs open): https://www.linkedin.com/in/dogoodwork/ 

          41 min
        • Why Buying Signals Are Sitting in Your CRM Already with Ronan Leonard

          In this podcast, I sat down with Ronan Leonard, founder of Intelligent Resourcing, to break down how he helps sales teams eliminate the 40% of their day spent manually researching companies and instead deliver real buying signals directly into the CRM so reps can take action. We talked about how fast AI is reshaping business models—Ronan compared it to waking up and finding the snow gone overnight—and why he refuses to build SaaS right now. He explained “dark data” hidden in sales call transcripts, how he enriches CRMs into “evergreen” systems, and how those insights feed content and GEO/answer optimization. We also covered tool-stack volatility, internal tooling vs productizing, structuring teams around learning speed, value-based pricing and price elasticity, and we had an honest disagreement on co-risking and revenue-share deals.


          01:36 AI Overwhelm and Pace

          03:19 Snowstorm Business Models

          04:13 No SaaS Moat Strategy

          05:09 Signals Into the CRM

          06:45 Dark Data and Transcripts

          08:55 Scaling Clients and LTV

          15:49 Team Structure and Learning

          19:41 Agents vs SOP Iteration

          24:39 Standardize Custom Work

          24:59 Value Based Pricing Framework

          27:48 Cost Savings Case Study

          30:16 Pricing as Perception

          31:49 Why Upside Deals Fail

          35:36 Confidence and Client Execution

          36:34 Staying Ahead of AI Curve

          39:37 Creativity and Feedback Loops

          Connect with Ronan: 

          • https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronan-leonard/

          https://intelligentresourcing.co/


          Connect with Raul: 

          • Work with Raul: https://dogoodwork.io

          • Free Growth Resources: https://dogoodwork.io/resources

          • Connect with Raul on LinkedIn (DMs open): https://www.linkedin.com/in/dogoodwork/ 

          40 min

        About Do Good Work

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        Do Good Work is not a label but a way of living.