Our first conversation with someone outside our little bubble is a real gem. Brian McLaren has been immersed in themes of spiritual migration for several decades now, as a pastor and author and activist. We had a chance to ask Brian to reflect on his journey thus far - what he has learned about what truly matters, what might come next for faith, and why we might or might not choose to stay Christian.

We highly recommend you check out Brian's new book Do I Stay Christian

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