In this episode, Nicole docks the conversation by sitting with a question that keeps coming up in her friendships and relationships: can men and women actually be just friends?
Thinking about When Harry Met Sally, Nicole and Brett unpack how popular media, religion, and gendered socialization shape the limits placed on friendship. Nicole reflects on growing up in rigid religious gender worlds and later relationships structured by mistrust and surveillance, while Brett situates the question within architectures of masculinity, loneliness, and entitlement.
Together, they explore why jealousy is treated as inevitable, trust as naïve, and friendship as something that must be justified or closely monitored. The conversation moves through questions of power, emotional capacity, and boundaries, challenging the expectation that intimate partnerships should be everything, and asking what gets lost when other forms of connection are restricted or devalued.
It’s a reflection on friendship, desire, and what it means to build a life shaped by relationships that expand, rather than narrow, who we’re allowed to be.
Nicole’s Notes
When Harry Met Sally (1989)
We Real Cool: Black Men and Masculinity by bell hooks
History of Sexuality Vol 1 by Michel Foucault
Brett’s Notes
Doc to Dock is co-hosted, written, produced, and edited by Dr. Brett S. Goldberg and Dr. Nicole K. Mayberry.
Original music by Matt Bogdanow; artwork by Andre Gonzalez.
Doc to Dock is recorded between Washington, D.C. and Orange County, CA. We record on Nacotchtank/Anacostan, Piscataway, Pamunkey, Hashemann and Tongva lands.
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