A small HR oversight — a missing policy, an incomplete employee file, a misclassified worker — can turn into a lawsuit that costs your business $125,000 or more, and 70% of small businesses face an employee-related legal claim at some point. In this solo episode, Kerri Roberts breaks down exactly how to conduct a DIY HR audit for your business across five areas — compliance basics, hiring and onboarding, pay and benefits, employee engagement and development, and offboarding — and walks through what she actually looks for when she does a full HR audit for clients, including the three tiers of risk she identifies and how she prioritizes what to fix first.

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. Why HR and therefore an HR audit is non-negotiable for any small business — compliance and risk reduction (missing documentation, overlooked legal requirements, and unchecked policies can all lead to fines, lawsuits, and reputation damage), culture and retention (audits reveal where employee experience is being neglected), and peace of mind (knowing where you stand is better than wondering "what if")
2. The five-area DIY HR audit framework — compliance basics (employee files, required posters, policies that match both current law and your actual practices), hiring and onboarding (job descriptions, offer letters, onboarding checklists with responsible parties beyond day one), pay and benefits (pay equity, unexplained pay gaps, benefits utilization rates, payroll classifications), employee engagement and development (feedback loops, growth paths, training protocols, recognition processes), and offboarding (exit checklists, exit interviews, data and property security)
3. What a professional HR audit actually looks like — Kerri walks through a real client example: a three-location law firm with about 50 employees where she implemented HR payroll software, an engagement survey, a newsletter, job descriptions, career ladders, promotion opportunities, and a compensation study in about six months, then helped them hire an internal person and stayed on strategic oversight before transitioning out
4. The three risk tiers Kerri uses in every audit — insurance and compliance risks, financial risks, and people or culture risks — and why she prioritizes them differently depending on the organization's size, complexity, and current state
5. How to use the free HR audit tool at saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit to do a quick ten-minute health check on your own business — it's a yes or no snapshot designed to show you where you're strong and where the gaps are, and it's the starting point for a full professional audit if you want to go deeper

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Do You Know If Your HR Is Actually Working? — The Question That Starts Everything
 01:03 Why HR and an HR Audit Are Non-Negotiable — The Three Core Reasons
 02:22 The Real Cost of Ignoring HR — $125K and 70% of Small Businesses
 03:30 The Ripple Effect of Strong HR — What It Does for Employees and Leaders
 04:49 Real Client Example — A Three-Location Law Firm and What Six Months of Work Looks Like
 06:02 Step 1 — Compliance Basics: Employee Files, Required Posters, Policies
 09:26 Step 2 — Hiring and Onboarding: Job Descriptions, Offer Letters, Checklists
 11:28 Step 3 — Pay and Benefits: Pay Equity, Benefits Utilization, Payroll Classifications
 12:15 Step 4 — Employee Engagement and Development: Feedback, Growth, Recognition
 13:17 Step 5 — Offboarding: Exit Process, Data Security, Feedback Capture
 14:00 Free HR Audit Tool — saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit
 14:26 What a Professional HR Audit Looks Like — Gap Analysis, Risk Tiers, Action Plan
 16:14 HR Audit Pricing — Starting at $2,750 and What's Included
 17:33 The Most Common Things Business Owners Say When They Go Through This
 19:00 HR Payroll Technology vs. Strategic HR — What's the Difference and Why It Matters
 20:40 Good HR Doesn't Just Protect Your Business — It Propels It

The free HR Audit tool at saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit is a ten-minute yes-or-no snapshot that will show you exactly where your gaps are — grab it before the gaps become the headline.

— Resources to keep building —

🎯 Take the free HR Audit — Score your HR systems in 5 minutes and see exactly where your gaps are.
👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

🎙️ Listen to Don't Waste the Chaos — The podcast for small business owners building strong people operations.
👉 kerrimroberts.com/podcast

📖 Get The HR Easy Button — Kerri's book on building HR systems that actually work for small businesses.
👉 https://amzn.to/4cPyrFh

✉️ Subscribe to the newsletter — Weekly HR insights for founders, in your inbox every Monday.
👉 saltandlight.myflodesk.com/saltandlightadvisors

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Need fractional HR support or want to talk through a specific challenge?
 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/contact

Ready to build foundational HR systems on your own?
 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hrfoundations

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Free HR Audit Tool — saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit (ten-minute yes-or-no health check across five HR areas)
• Salt & Light Advisors professional HR audit — starting at $2,750; saltandlightadvisors.com/contact
• HR payroll technology platforms — referenced in episode; contact saltandlightadvisors.com for recommendations
• PEO (Professional Employer Organization) — referenced as an alternative co-employer model for smaller organizations

📝 Full show notes + transcript: https://kerrimroberts.com/dontwastethechaos/tinyhrmistake

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What does it actually take to find your voice, build a platform, and show up authentically in a world that wants you to be everything to everyone — and what does any of that have to do with running a business? In this episode, Kerri Roberts sits down with Denise Tallcott, former radio host turned podcast creator, public speaker, business coach, and the warmhearted force behind Working Moms Redefined. Denise is one of those people who has a God-given gift for making you feel like you matter the moment you walk into a room, and this conversation is as honest as it is energizing.

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. How Denise built the Working Moms Redefined podcast from scratch — what finally made her say yes after years of making excuses, why she got Maxwell Leadership certified first because she needed the credibility before she could give herself permission to show up, and how building a following is less about strategy and more about showing up for other people the way you'd want someone to show up for you
2. How Denise approaches authenticity when it feels risky — including the "Hate Bo and Denise" Facebook group that got created when she took over a morning radio show at 23, what she learned about being magnetic versus trying to please everyone, and why the moment she stopped people-pleasing was the moment her real voice showed up
3. How to get into public speaking — Denise teaches a public speaking course and shares the step that most people skip (just asking), why 75% of people fear public speaking more than death and what that tells her about the need, how she reframes nerves as excitement using neuroscience, and her pre-speech ritual of talking to three people in the crowd before she goes on
4. How to juggle motherhood, entrepreneurship, and a multi-passionate career without losing yourself — Denise's honest take on not being the mom her mom was, the marriage counseling that helped her and her husband redesign their life, the "I get to" language shift that changed her relationship with a full schedule, and why she's a better mom when she gets to do the things that light her up
5. Denise's reframe on success — from wanting people to know her name, to measuring success by how many people she can name, and why she believes your brain literally cannot be anxious and grateful at the same time, which is why she writes thank you notes when anxiety creeps in

About the Guest:
Denise Tallcott is a former radio host, Maxwell Leadership-certified speaker, business coach, and host of the Working Moms Redefined podcast, as well as the founder of Denise Tallcott Leadership, a coaching and speaking practice focused on helping women step into their voice, their confidence, and their calling. With a decade in radio, an advertising company that now serves 60-plus clients across the nation, and a public speaking practice built from a media kit she made in two hours at a Starbucks in Quincy, Illinois, Denise brings warmth, humor, and genuine depth to every conversation she walks into.

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Meet Denise Tallcott — Radio Host Turned Podcast Creator, Speaker, and Coach
 01:19 Why Working Moms Redefined Exists — And How Denise Knew It Was Time
 05:04 How Authenticity and Humility Can Coexist — And Why That Matters on a Platform
 06:02 How Denise Built Her Following — and Why It's Not About Strategy
 08:35 The "Hate Bo and Denise" Facebook Group and What She Learned at 23
 12:00 Why Unapologetic Authenticity Is More Magnetic Than Trying to Please Everyone
 14:16 How Denise Got Into Public Speaking — Pageants, Radio, and Just Asking
 17:34 75% of People Fear Public Speaking More Than Death — Here's What to Do About It
 21:33 Kerri's Pageant Story and What Radio Teaches You About Holding a Room
 24:43 How to Keep Ideas and Presence Fresh When You're Juggling Everything
 29:07 Not Being the Mom Your Mom Was — And Why That's Okay
 31:57 What It Takes to Stay Grounded Before You Speak or Record
 36:07 Why Denise Talks to Three People Before Every Speaking Engagement
 39:05 The "You Matter" T-Shirt and What We're All Putting On
 40:15 Don't Waste the Chaos — How Denise Defines It Now vs. Then
 42:00 "Had To" vs. "Get To" — The Language Shift That Changes Everything
 44:52 Lightning Round — Kids, Guilty Pleasures, Gratitude, and Redefining Success

When your people feel like they matter, your culture shows it — the free HR Audit will show you where the people systems that back that up need work: saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

— Resources to keep building —

🎯 Take the free HR Audit — Score your HR systems in 5 minutes and see exactly where your gaps are.
👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

🎙️ Listen to Don't Waste the Chaos — The podcast for small business owners building strong people operations.
👉 kerrimroberts.com/podcast

📖 Get The HR Easy Button — Kerri's book on building HR systems that actually work for small businesses.
👉 https://amzn.to/4cPyrFh

✉️ Subscribe to the newsletter — Weekly HR insights for founders, in your inbox every Monday.
👉 saltandlight.myflodesk.com/saltandlightadvisors

—

Need fractional HR support or want to talk through a specific challenge?
 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/contact

Ready to build foundational HR systems on your own?
 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hrfoundations

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Working Moms Redefined podcast — available on Spotify, Apple, Amazon, YouTube (search "Working Moms Redefined")
• Working Moms Redefined 9 Minutes of Connection Masterclass — available within the podcast/platform
• Denise Tallcott Leadership — coaching, speaking, and public speaking course (search "Denise Tallcott Leadership")
• Atlas of the Heart by Brené Brown — referenced in conversation about labeling feelings
• Maxwell Leadership Certification — referenced as Denise's credentialing path
• Kerri Roberts on the Working Moms Redefined podcast — linked in show notes

📝 Full show notes + transcript: https://kerrimroberts.com/dontwastethechaos/fromspotlighttosubstance

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What does it look like to build something that lasts without burning through the people who make it possible? In this episode, Kerri Roberts sits down with Emily Holdman, Managing Director at Permanent Equity, a Missouri-based private equity firm with a 30-year investment horizon and a foundational commitment to do no harm — which in practice means walking into an organization and learning before cutting, giving people authorship in what's about to change, and never forcing a massive shift just because you can. This is one of the most intellectually honest leadership conversations this show has hosted.

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. What Permanent Equity's "do no harm" philosophy actually looks like in practice — borrowed from the medical principle of nil nocere, it means walking in to understand what made the organization successful before touching anything, giving people the ability to opt in or out of change rather than having it done to them, and understanding that people can pivot how they contribute without having to leave — which is very different from how most firms enter a company
2. Why Emily distinguishes between making people feel safe versus giving them authorship and autonomy — she doesn't try to make people feel safe, she tries to make sure they feel like they have agency in what's coming, the ability to speak their mind, and the capacity to proactively lean into change instead of being protected from it
3. What Emily has had to unlearn as a leader — starting from a highly individual contributor mindset where she'd do the group project herself to make sure it met her standards, and slowly learning that trusting others isn't just practical for scale, it's almost offensive not to, because doing it for someone signals you don't believe they can
4. What positive versus normative analysis means in leadership — positive analysis is where we are, normative is what can be, and the discipline of mapping all the optionality before walking out of the room instead of solving narrowly for the one visible problem is what makes Emily's leadership style distinct
5. Emily's personal shift from scrambling productivity to contentment — a two-part moment when someone asked what she was still scrambling for, and a second person asked what she'd wondered about that day, which together forced a reorientation from operating from a position of being cornered to choosing her position, and why that shift made her both more effective and more present

About the Guest:
Emily Holdman is the Managing Director at Permanent Equity, a Missouri-based private equity firm known for its 30-year investment horizon, values-first approach, and do-no-harm philosophy toward the businesses and teams it acquires and supports. With board seats across Ace Fence, Presidential Pool and Spas, Selective Search, Riley and Crew, and Ad Advance, Emily leads with a long-term, people-first lens that is genuinely counter-cultural in the private equity space.

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Meet Emily Holdman — Managing Director, Permanent Equity, Do No Harm Philosophy
 01:51 How Emily Describes Her Leadership Style on Her Best Days
 03:17 Positive vs. Normative Analysis — Where We Are vs. What Can Be
 07:06 How a 30-Year Investment Horizon Changes the Way You Make Decisions
 10:52 Why Massive Change Overnight Is Almost Never the Right Move
 12:59 What "Do No Harm" Actually Means — The Nil Nocere Philosophy in Business
 16:12 Authorship and Optionality vs. Making People Feel Safe
 20:22 When an Acquisition Becomes the Hunger Games — What Bad M&A Actually Looks Like
 22:57 Best and Highest Use — Including CEOs Who Don't Actually Want to Be CEOs
 26:39 What Emily Has Had to Unlearn as a Leader — From Individual Contributor to Delegator
 31:23 Trusting Others Is Not Just Practical, It's Respectful
 33:09 When Was Your Confidence Tested? — The Scrambling Question That Changed Everything
 37:12 The Little Old Lady in the Parking Lot — Why Margin Matters
 41:06 The Lesson of Contentment and Appreciation Before You Reach the Goal
 43:04 What Emily Is Proud of That Isn't on Her Resume
 45:36 Don't Waste the Chaos — Emily's Answer: Becoming a Mom
 51:37 Lightning Round — Daily Ritual, Leadership Lesson, Book, How She Recharges

If you're navigating growth, transition, or a season that's stretching your people systems, the free HR Audit will show you where the foundation needs attention: saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

— Resources to keep building —

🎯 Take the free HR Audit — Score your HR systems in 5 minutes and see exactly where your gaps are.
👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

🎙️ Listen to Don't Waste the Chaos — The podcast for small business owners building strong people operations.
👉 kerrimroberts.com/podcast

📖 Get The HR Easy Button — Kerri's book on building HR systems that actually work for small businesses.
👉 https://amzn.to/4cPyrFh

✉️ Subscribe to the newsletter — Weekly HR insights for founders, in your inbox every Monday.
👉 saltandlight.myflodesk.com/saltandlightadvisors

—

Need fractional HR support or want to talk through a specific challenge?
 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/contact

Ready to build foundational HR systems on your own?
 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hrfoundations

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Permanent Equity — permanentequity.com
• Emily Holdman — LinkedIn (link in show notes)
• The Book of Charlie by David Von Drehle — referenced by Emily as a book that shifted how she thinks about relationships and the long game
• Warren Buffett 20-hole punch card concept — referenced in conversation about investment selectivity

📝 Full show notes + transcript: https://kerrimroberts.com/dontwastethechaos/buildthebusiness

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If your team is showing up but nobody seems fully there, you're not imagining it — and you're not alone. Only 21 to 23% of employees globally report being actively engaged at work right now, 59% admit to doing the bare minimum, and 66 to 82% of the workforce is experiencing burnout in 2025. In this solo episode, Kerri Roberts breaks down what's actually driving the morale crisis, why adding perks won't fix it, and what small business owners and leaders can start doing today — without a big budget or a full HR team.

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. The full scope of the engagement and burnout crisis right now — only 32% of employees trust senior leaders and just 29% trust their direct managers (Gallup); disengaged employees cost the US economy roughly $350 billion annually and the global economy about $8.8 trillion, which is approximately 9% of global GDP; and highly engaged companies are 23% more profitable, 18% more productive, and see less than 59% turnover in high-turnover industries
2. What's driving burnout beyond the workplace — inflation fatigue (the 2024 COLA rate was 3.8% just to break even, and a team of 20 employees averaging $60,000 a year needs a $45,600 raise pool just to keep pace), social disconnection, return-to-office pressure, and global uncertainty, and why employees who look disengaged may not be quietly quitting — they may be quietly hurting
3. Why engagement surveys only work if you do something with the data — what happens to trust when leaders collect feedback and never act on it, how to use AI to analyze old survey data right now (drop results into AI, prompt it to act as a strategic consultant, ask for trends and recommended actions), and why a third party communicating the survey increases honest participation
4. What psychological safety looks like day to day — when's the last time someone on your team gave you tough feedback? If it's been a while, that's a signal. Companies with well-supported and trained managers see team engagement levels up to 70%, and the GAO confirms that remote and hybrid options improve retention and performance by 12% when managed well
5. Low-cost, practical ways to boost morale and connection starting today — weekly non-work check-ins ("what's going on in your world this week?"), a recognition board in Slack or the break room, one non-work team question a week, the "what's your 15 minutes of fame?" new hire question, walk-and-talk meetings, and normalizing saying "I don't know, but I'm listening"

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Have You Felt a Weird Energy on Your Team? The Data Behind It
 01:44 Financial Cost of Disengagement — $350B in the US, $8.8T Globally
 02:25 What Quietly Kills Culture — Low Morale, Low Engagement, Low Trust
 02:54 Why Morale Is Dipping — And Why You Have to Ask Your Employees
 03:52 Engagement Surveys — What to Do With the Data (Including How to Use AI)
 05:34 Burnout Trends in 2025 — 66% to 82%, an All-Time High
 06:07 Gen Z and Millennials Are Actively Considering Quitting — Here's Why
 06:35 Inflation Fatigue, COLA Math, and What It's Costing Your Team
 09:43 Social Disconnection and Global Uncertainty at Work
 10:14 Quiet Hurting vs. Quiet Quitting — The Difference Matters
 10:35 Morale Isn't About Raises — It's About Meaning, Clarity, and Connection
 11:12 Leadership and Managerial Influence — The Data You Need to See
 12:18 Psychological Safety Day to Day — Practical Questions to Ask Yourself
 13:00 Low-Cost Ways to Build Recognition and Team Connection Right Now
 16:53 Morale Is a Function of Trust, Meaning, Connection, and Stress Load
 18:34 If Morale Feels Off — Look in the Mirror First

Morale problems are usually people systems problems in disguise — the free HR Audit will show you where your foundation needs work before the quiet hurting becomes visible turnover: saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

— Resources to keep building —

🎯 Take the free HR Audit — Score your HR systems in 5 minutes and see exactly where your gaps are.
👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

🎙️ Listen to Don't Waste the Chaos — The podcast for small business owners building strong people operations.
👉 kerrimroberts.com/podcast

📖 Get The HR Easy Button — Kerri's book on building HR systems that actually work for small businesses.
👉 https://amzn.to/4cPyrFh

✉️ Subscribe to the newsletter — Weekly HR insights for founders, in your inbox every Monday.
👉 saltandlight.myflodesk.com/saltandlightadvisors

—

Need fractional HR support or want to talk through a specific challenge?
 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/contact

Ready to build foundational HR systems on your own?
 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hrfoundations

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Gallup — employee engagement and trust data (21–23% engaged globally; 32% trust senior leaders; 29% trust direct managers)
• WellHub 2025 Wellness Report — $322 billion annual cost in turnover and lost productivity from work stress
• Forbes — 66% of workers reporting burnout in 2025, linked in part to return-to-office mandates
• New York Post — 73% of Gen Z and 70% of millennials considering quitting due to burnout, repetitive tasks, lack of recognition, and financial insecurity
• Business Insider — only 22% of workers globally say they are thriving
• GAO — remote and hybrid options improve retention and performance by 12% when managed well
• Career Arc — 61% of employees more likely to recommend a company that handles layoffs with transparency (referenced in prior episode, relevant context)
• AI prompt referenced in episode — "Act as a strategic consultant focused on organizational behavior and engagement. Here is our survey data. What insights and trends do you see, and what actions should we take before our next evaluation?"
• Salt & Light Advisors — engagement and satisfaction surveys, HR consulting — saltandlightadvisors.com/contact

📝 Full show notes + transcript: https://kerrimroberts.com/dontwastethechaos/moraleistanking

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Most small business owners don't lay people off because they planned to — they lay people off because they panicked, waited too long, and ran out of options. In this solo episode, Kerri Roberts draws a sharp line between reactive layoffs and intentional right sizing, and makes the case that how you handle workforce reduction when growth slows is one of the clearest signals of your integrity as a leader. After 20 years in HR — including flying to another state the week before Christmas to close an office and conduct a reduction in force for a 20,000-person organization — Kerri has seen this done well and done very, very poorly.

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. What right sizing actually means versus a layoff — right sizing comes from stewardship and intentional workforce planning, layoffs come from panic, and the difference shows up in how your team experiences the change, how your culture survives it, and whether the people who stay remain engaged or quietly start looking
2. How to do workforce planning before you're forced to — using historic trend data, seasonal business patterns, revenue projections, and role-level evaluation (is this role critical to revenue, operations, or client delivery today?) to stay ahead of headcount decisions instead of reacting to them
3. Key evaluation filters for every role in your business — is this role critical to revenue, to operations, or to client delivery right now? Are we duplicating efforts anywhere? Are we underutilizing skill sets? And if you had a rock star in this role, would you keep it?
4. How to have hard conversations with clarity and compassion — why transparency is a leadership superpower, why the number one killer of morale isn't change but silence, and Kerri's simple framework: share what you know, what you're considering, and when you'll update them next — teams kept in the loop are 3.5 times more likely to stay engaged during organizational changes (McKinsey)
5. What to do when you do need to eliminate a position — say the kind thing but say the truth, offer transitional support, LinkedIn recommendations, and internal references, use one week of severance per year of tenure as a general rule, and never call a performance-based termination a restructuring if you'd refill that role tomorrow with a better performer

CHAPTERS:

00:00 What Right Sizing vs Layoffs Actually Means — And Why Most Businesses Get It Wrong
 02:37 This Episode Is a Format Pivot — First Time Kerri's Going Unscripted
 08:14 Layoffs Come from Panic, Right Sizing Comes from Stewardship
 10:35 Workforce Planning — What It Actually Looks Like and Why Most Organizations Skip It
 14:24 Seasonality, Trend Data, and the Questions You Should Be Asking About Your Headcount
 16:02 Key Evaluation Filters for Every Role in Your Business
 18:15 How to Have Hard Conversations with Clarity and Compassion
 20:04 Avoid Passive Language Like "Restructuring" When It's Really a Performance Issue
 23:30 The Real-World Example — A Construction Client, a Performance Problem, and Integrity
 26:00 Free Layoff Checklist Resource — saltandlightadvisors.com/layoff-checklist
 26:51 Transparent Communication as a Leadership Superpower
 27:21 The Number One Killer of Morale Isn't Change, It's Silence
 28:23 Share What You Know, What You're Considering, and When You'll Update Them Next
 29:45 Include Employees in Cost-Saving Ideas Before Reducing Staff
 30:27 Right Sizing Can Be a Growth Strategy — Lean Doesn't Mean Weak
 31:00 HR in a Box and The Circle — Salt & Light Collectives

If your people systems aren't set up to support intentional workforce planning, the free HR Audit will show you exactly where the gaps are before they become a crisis: saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

— Resources to keep building —

🎯 Take the free HR Audit — Score your HR systems in 5 minutes and see exactly where your gaps are.
👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

🎙️ Listen to Don't Waste the Chaos — The podcast for small business owners building strong people operations.
👉 kerrimroberts.com/podcast

📖 Get The HR Easy Button — Kerri's book on building HR systems that actually work for small businesses.
  https://amzn.to/4cPyrFh

✉️ Subscribe to the newsletter — Weekly HR insights for founders, in your inbox every Monday.
👉 saltandlight.myflodesk.com/saltandlightadvisors

—

Need fractional HR support or want to talk through a specific challenge?
  saltandlightadvisors.com/contact

Ready to build foundational HR systems on your own?
 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hrfoundations

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Free Layoff Checklist (before, during, and after the meeting) — saltandlightadvisors.com/layoff-checklist
• HR in a Box Collective — monthly group coaching, templates, and HR foundation curriculum for small business owners — saltandlightadvisors.com
• The Circle — monthly collective for faith-led women focused on growth, expansion, and leadership — saltandlightadvisors.com
• SHRM stat — 73% of small businesses that implemented right sizing vs reactive layoffs reported higher employee retention six months later
• McKinsey stat — teams kept in the loop during organizational changes are 3.5x more likely to stay engaged
• Career Arc stat — 61% of employees said they'd be more likely to recommend a company that handled layoffs with transparency and empathy

📝 Full show notes + transcript: https://kerrimroberts.com/dontwastethechaos/rightsizingvslayoffs

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What does it actually take to walk away from a high-income city life, two salaries, private school, a country club, and the whole identity that goes with it — and not regret it? In this episode, Kerri Roberts brings back her most-requested guest, her husband Terry, for their most personal conversation yet. They cover the full arc: from Terry growing up in poverty in a trailer park, through 10 years in the Marine Corps, through the debt snowball and rental properties and hitting their first million in about a decade — to the pandemic-era decision to pull up stakes, move to a farm in rural Missouri, and both eventually leave their jobs to start their own businesses. This one is honest, specific, and a little unexpected.

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. How Kerri and Terry built from literally zero — no inheritance, no nest egg, no family money — to millionaire status in about a decade, starting with Dave Ramsey's gazelle living approach, the debt snowball, intentional savings, and eventually rental properties, and why they're direct that it came from grit and salaries, not shortcuts
2. What finally pushed them to make the move from city to country — Terry's unrecognized burnout from compartmentalizing everything behind a singular focus on making money, the pandemic's role in clarifying what mattered, and the specific President's Day weekend walk when Kerri told Terry he was going to have to push her because she wasn't sure she could do it herself
3. The Andy Stanley decision-making framework they've used for over 10 years — based on past experiences, current circumstances, and future hopes and dreams, what would be the wise thing to do — and how running the move through that framework made the answer obvious even when it was scary
4. Terry's honest decompression timeline — still about 90% wound tight after several months on the farm, what burnout actually feels like from the inside when you don't recognize it while it's happening, and why the transition out of high-pressure work needs to be measured in years not months
5. Listener Q&A answers — who wears the pants (and what that question actually reveals about the person asking), what surprised them most after the move, what drives them nuts about each other's work styles, what people would be surprised to know about their marriage, and Terry's juicy secret

About the Guest:
Terry Roberts is a decorated 10-year United States Marine Corps veteran, a licensed mortgage broker, and Kerri's most-requested returning guest on Don't Waste the Chaos, having previously covered real estate investing and sales psychology — and the person most directly responsible for the decision to move their family from suburban city life to a farm in rural Missouri.

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Terry's Back — Most Requested Guest, Most Personal Episode Yet
 01:43 Terry's Background — Trailer Park, Marine Corps, Degree, and Defining Success
 05:13 How We Started — Zero in Checking, Zero in Savings, Dave Ramsey and Gazelle Living
 07:45 Building to Our First Million in About a Decade — Debt Snowball, Salaries, Rentals
 09:42 How Did You Know It Was Time to Go? — Burnout, the Pandemic, and Keeping Up with the Joneses
 13:08 The Practical Decision — Leveraging Equity, Land, and Building a Safety Net
 15:44 The President's Day Walk — Kerri Says Push Me
 17:29 What Changed in Our Marriage After the Move
 20:33 Clarification — We Also Both Quit Our Jobs and Started Our Own Businesses
 23:59 The Andy Stanley Decision Framework — Past, Present, Future, What's Wise?
 26:37 The Friend Circle Hot Take — If They Don't Support Your Marriage, Cut Them Out
 34:46 Listener Q&A — Who Wears the Pants?
 39:32 What Drives You Nuts About My Work Style?
 41:30 What Would Surprise People About Our Relationship?
 47:33 Terry's Juicy Secret
 53:04 What's One Thing I Never Do That You Wish I Would?
 56:10 Who Adjusted Better to Country Life?
 57:23 Terry's Final Definition of Success and What Contentment Actually Looks Like

You don't have to be building from zero — but it helps to know where your foundation actually stands. The free HR Audit will show you exactly where your people systems need attention: saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

— Resources to keep building —

🎯 Take the free HR Audit — Score your HR systems in 5 minutes and see exactly where your gaps are.
👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

🎙️ Listen to Don't Waste the Chaos — The podcast for small business owners building strong people operations.
👉 kerrimroberts.com/podcast

📖 Get The HR Easy Button — Kerri's book on building HR systems that actually work for small businesses.
👉 https://amzn.to/4cPyrFh

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RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Dave Ramsey — gazelle living and debt snowball method (referenced in episode)
• The Meaning of Marriage by Tim Keller — referenced in episode (link in show notes)
• Andy Stanley — decision-making framework: past experiences + current circumstances + future hopes and dreams = wise decision (referenced from an 8-week couples Bible study)
• Fair Play by Eve Rodsky — referenced briefly in context of household labor
• Oura Ring — referenced (both Kerri and Terry track sleep and readiness scores)
• Terry Roberts — licensed mortgage broker; prior DWTC episodes on real estate investing and sales

📝 Full show notes + transcript: https://kerrimroberts.com/dontwastethechaos/walkingawayfromitall

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Most small business CEOs wouldn't offer 12 weeks of paid maternity leave — not because they don't care, but because the financial and operational reality of it is genuinely brutal, especially without the systems that make it survivable. Kristin Graham Brown does it anyway. In this episode, Kerri Roberts sits down with Kristin, founder and CEO of Hoot Design Company, for a conversation about the bold, values-driven decisions she's made in building her 15-person culture-focused branding agency — from unconventional benefits and a role-flipped marriage to real estate investments, money mindset work, and branding in the age of AI.

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. How Kristin built and sustains a 12-week paid maternity leave policy at a 15-person agency — what it actually costs (paying people while also paying to cover their work), why she's direct that this is her hill to die on and not a judgment on small businesses who can't, and the part-time reintegration and bring-your-baby-back options that complete the policy
2. How Kristin structures benefits for part-time employees — including scaling benefits proportionally by hours worked, offering a Life Support stipend of up to $250/month to buy back time, a 50% childcare subsidy at Windsor Street Montessori, core collaboration hours of 9-2 Monday through Thursday instead of a rigid 40-hour week, and a simple IRA with matching available to anyone earning at least $5,000 a year
3. What it looked like for Kristin and her husband to intentionally flip their breadwinner dynamic — hiring a therapist to navigate the transition, working through the Fair Play card deck system to clearly divide home labor, and what Kristin learned about the difference between helping and owning a household task
4. Kristin's money mindset journey with coach Mike Brown of Unbreakable Wealth — how she unpacked the scarcity beliefs that were keeping her from looking at her own numbers, why she compares not checking financials to not stepping on a scale, and what she learned about the "rich people suck" belief pattern that prevents wealth accumulation
5. Kristin's branding philosophy and the Brand Being Method — why the brand is who you are and the marketing is what you do, why having a hot take and being willing to repel the wrong audience actually raises your close rate, and how she's thinking about AI as a production disruptor while doubling down on the human work that AI cannot do

About the Guest:
Kristin Graham Brown is the founder and CEO of Hoot Design Company, a culture-driven branding agency in Columbia, Missouri, and the creator of the Brand Being Method, a philosophy and framework built on the belief that a brand is who you are — not just what you look like. With over a decade of building an agency that walks the talk on values-driven benefits, flexible work, and intentional culture design, Kristin is one of the most distinct and honest voices in branding for founder-led businesses.

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Meet Kristin Graham Brown — Bold CEO, Brand Being Method, and Walking the Talk
 01:22 12 Weeks of Paid Maternity Leave — Why, How, and the Real Cost Nobody Talks About
 05:28 The Logistics — 70% Salary, Bring Your Baby Back, and Part-Time Reintegration
 07:15 Why Over 54% of Missouri Women Are the Breadwinners (and Why It Changes Everything)
 08:44 Benefits for Part-Time Employees — Core Hours, Life Support Stipend, Simple IRA
 12:33 Kristin's Childcare Subsidy at Windsor Street Montessori
 14:38 How Kristin's Own Motherhood Shaped the Way She Runs Hoot
 17:39 The Breadwinner Flip — Getting a Therapist, Fair Play, and Owning vs. Helping
 24:05 Kerri's Story — Joint Custody of the School Run and Letting Go of the Mental Load
 28:04 Money Mindset with Mike Brown of Unbreakable Wealth
 33:02 Scarcity Thinking, Financial Avoidance, and Learning to Love Your Numbers
 35:44 Buying a Building, Building the Bird House, and Doubling Down on Human Connection
 40:09 How Hoot Is Thinking About AI — Production Going Away, Strategy Staying
 41:36 Why Having a Hot Take Raises Your Close Rate
 44:50 Personal Brand in the Age of AI — Why Your Opinion Is More Valuable Than Ever
 48:10 What Kristin Does at Hoot That Would Make a Traditional HR Person Nervous
 52:50 Windsor Street Montessori and Rethinking Education for Each Child Differently
 55:20 Where to Find Kristin and Hoot Design Company

If you're a business owner thinking about how to build benefits that actually reflect your values, the free HR Audit will show you where your people systems have gaps worth addressing: saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

— Resources to keep building —

🎯 Take the free HR Audit — Score your HR systems in 5 minutes and see exactly where your gaps are.
👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

🎙️ Listen to Don't Waste the Chaos — The podcast for small business owners building strong people operations.
👉 kerrimroberts.com/podcast

📖 Get The HR Easy Button — Kerri's book on building HR systems that actually work for small businesses.
👉 https://amzn.to/4cPyrFh

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RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Hoot Design Company — hootdesigncompany.com | Instagram: @hootdesigncompany
• Kristin Graham Brown — Instagram: @ktothegtotheB | TikTok: @kristingraahmbrown
• Parliament Newsletter — Kristin's newsletter (link in show notes)
• Brand Being Method — Kristin's branding framework, available through Hoot
• Mike Brown, Unbreakable Wealth — money coach referenced in episode (search "Mike Brown Unbreakable Wealth")
• Fair Play by Eve Rodsky — referenced in episode (link in show notes)
• Buy Back Your Time by Dan Martell — referenced in episode
• Windsor Street Montessori — windsortstreetmontessori.com (Columbia, MO)
• Life Support benefit — up to $250/month to buy back time, available at Hoot
• Simple IRA — referenced as Hoot's retirement offering for part-time employees

📝 Full show notes + transcript: https://kerrimroberts.com/dontwastethechaos/mostceoswouldntdare

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You already know you should drink more water, move your body, get more sleep, and cut back on alcohol — so why aren't you doing it consistently? The answer isn't another tip, another routine, or another podcast episode about wellness habits. It's a mindset problem, and in this solo episode, Kerri Roberts walks through her full wellness routine across five buckets and then goes deep on the psychological and somatic frameworks that actually explain why real change is so hard to sustain — and what she uses personally to move through it.

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. Kerri's full wellness routine across five areas — nutrition and hydration (lower alcohol intake, rarely eating out, whole foods, structured water with minerals and chlorophyll, no caffeine), movement and fitness (10,000 steps, 20-pound weighted vest, weight training, body resistance, red light therapy, infrared sauna, Gua Sha, vibration plate, acupuncture mat, monthly massage), rest and rhythms (Oura Ring, menstrual cycle awareness, morning sunlight and grounding, salt lamps, incense, circadian wind-down), mind and soul (Bible reading with her son, journaling, gratitude mala, pets, plant medicines and peptides, supplements), and lifestyle and boundaries (underwhelming her schedule, reducing stress, eliminating disordered eating patterns)
2. The six mindset blocks that keep most people stuck — all-or-nothing thinking, perfectionism as protection, identity gap, busy badge mentality, unresolved guilt and shame, and external validation loops — and why identifying yours is more powerful than any new health tip
3. Why identity-based change works when information doesn't — drawing from Mimi Bouchard's activation framework and Dr. Joe Dispenza's neuroscience research, why your brain doesn't distinguish well between actual experiences and vividly imagined ones, and how to emotionally rehearse a new identity before you've earned it
4. How to use the principles from James Clear's Atomic Habits and Charles Duhigg's The Power of Habit to build tiny repeatable choices anchored to existing routines and environmental design that reduce friction before willpower is even required
5. The neuroscience behind EFT tapping — Harvard Medical School and peer-reviewed research on how tapping on meridian points calms the amygdala, drops cortisol by up to 43% (Dr. Dawson Church), and signals the central nervous system that it's safe to change — plus a live three-point tapping script Kerri walks listeners through in real time

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Why This Episode Exists — And Why It's a Mindset Problem, Not a Tips Problem
 01:22 Nutrition and Hydration — Alcohol, Whole Foods, Structured Water, No Caffeine
 05:17 Movement and Fitness — Weighted Vest, Lifting, Body Resistance, Red Light, Sauna
 08:44 Rest and Rhythms — Oura Ring, Cycle Awareness, Sunlight, Grounding, Nighttime Routine
 12:01 Mind and Soul — Bible, Journaling, Gratitude Mala, Pets, Plant Medicines
 13:19 Lifestyle and Boundaries — Underwhelming the Schedule and Ending Disordered Eating
 14:04 The Deeper Problem — The Six Mindset Blocks That Keep You Stuck
 16:02 Framework #1 — Dr. Henry Cloud and Necessary Endings (End the Wrong Things First)
 18:18 Framework #2 — Mimi Bouchard and Identity-Based Activation
 20:06 Framework #3 — James Clear's Atomic Habits (Every Action Is a Vote)
 21:32 Framework #4 — The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg (Change Your Environment)
 22:37 Framework #5 — Train Your Nervous System, Not Just Your Brain (The Body Keeps Score)
 24:46 EFT Tapping — The Science, the Research, and a Live Tapping Script
 28:09 Framework #6 — Self-Sabotage and Dan Martell's Emotional Incongruence Concept
 30:27 The Final Truth — It's Not a Knowledge Problem, It's a Story Problem

The same gap between knowing and doing shows up in HR just like it does in wellness — the free HR Audit will show you exactly where your people systems need attention, not just what to do: saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

— Resources to keep building —

🎯 Take the free HR Audit — Score your HR systems in 5 minutes and see exactly where your gaps are.
👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

🎙️ Listen to Don't Waste the Chaos — The podcast for small business owners building strong people operations.
👉 kerrimroberts.com/podcast

📖 Get The HR Easy Button — Kerri's book on building HR systems that actually work for small businesses.
👉 https://amzn.to/4cPyrFh

✉️ Subscribe to the newsletter — Weekly HR insights for founders, in your inbox every Monday.
👉 saltandlight.myflodesk.com/saltandlightadvisors

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Ready to build foundational HR systems on your own?
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RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Necessary Endings by Dr. Henry Cloud — link in show notes
• Mimi Bouchard — Activate app (visualization and activation-based identity work)
• Dr. Joe Dispenza — neuroscience of visualization and identity
• Atomic Habits by James Clear — link in show notes
• The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg — link in show notes
• The Body Keeps the Score by Dr. Bessel van der Kolk — link in show notes
• The Tapping Solution by Nick Ortner — EFT tapping with Harvard Medical School research
• Dr. Dawson Church — cortisol reduction study (43% drop after single EFT session)
• Kelly Howe — EFT coach; Episodes 48 and 72 of Don't Waste the Chaos (linked in show notes)
• Buy Back Your Time by Dan Martell — self-sabotage and emotional incongruence
• Magic Mind — referenced as show affiliate (sponsor)
• Oura Ring — referenced with discount code (link in show notes)
• Symbiotica — supplements referenced

📝 Full show notes + transcript: https://kerrimroberts.com/dontwastethechaos/itsnotaboutwhattodo

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Building a business that feels like home means creating something that serves people the way you wish you had been served — and for Kerri Roberts, that realization led to something she's been building quietly behind the scenes for a while now. In this solo episode, she pulls back the curtain on her four collectives, the membership programs she just launched, explains why she built them, who they're for, and walks through the exact playbook she used to create them — so you can do the same thing in your own business if the idea has been sitting in the back of your mind.

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. Why Kerri created four distinct membership programs — HR in a Box for small business owners building their HR foundation, the People Practice Lab for accidental or early-career HR pros, the Leap for corporate professionals transitioning to entrepreneurship, and the Circle for faith-led women navigating growth, leadership, and alignment — and what gap she kept seeing in the market that finally pushed her to build them
2. The business case for adding a membership model — businesses with recurring revenue models grow five to eight times faster than those with one-time revenue models (Harvard Business Review, 2021), 70% of business leaders say community-led growth is part of their 2025 strategy, and members are 60% more likely to purchase additional services and refer others
3. Why people join communities like this — 74% of professionals prefer learning in peer groups over solo training (LinkedIn Learning, 2023), 60% of small business leaders say they don't have a trusted HR advisor to bounce questions off of (MetLife and US Chamber of Commerce), and over half of mid-level HR professionals say they lack access to strategic mentorship inside their own organization (SHRM)
4. The six-step playbook Kerri used to build her collectives — starting with purpose (what problem am I solving?), defining a specific audience, designing a simple repeatable delivery format, building content from real client conversations instead of scratch, setting pricing that reflects experience without discounting it, and marketing with story instead of hype
5. Kerri's actual pricing and structure — HR in a Box at $450/month (12-month curriculum, 3-month minimum), People Practice Lab at $250/month, the Leap at $2,500 for three months, and the Circle at $49/month — plus her direct message to women about why pricing your membership at a discount because it's new is discounting your experience, not your product

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Why the Collectives Exist — Carrying Too Much Alone
 01:31 What Led Kerri to Build Membership Programs
 03:04 The Four Types of People Kerri Kept Seeing Who Needed This
 03:42 Business Case #1 — Scalable, Recurring Revenue
 05:09 Business Case #2 — Access to a Larger Underserved Market
 06:04 Business Case #3 — Audience Loyalty and Brand Trust
 06:51 Why People Join Communities — Learning, Connection, Peer Groups
 08:02 The Isolation Problem for Leaders and Solo HR Pros
 09:25 Step 1 — Start With Your Why
 10:49 How "The Build" Became "The Leap" — Kerri's First Membership Two Years Ago
 12:47 Why the Circle Exists — What Women Keep Asking Kerri
 14:19 Step 2 — Define Your Audience, Not a One-Size-Fits-All Program
 16:00 Step 3 — Design a Simple, Repeatable Delivery Format
 17:56 Step 4 — Build Content From Real Conversations, Not Scratch
 18:28 Step 5 — Price for Value and Access, Not Discount for Newness
 21:41 Step 6 — Market With Heart and Story, Not Hype
 22:47 Step 7 — Create a Community-First Culture From Day One
 24:00 Kerri's Actual Pricing for All Four Collectives
 26:12 What Each Collective Is For — And What You Could Build in Yours

When your people systems are solid, you have the bandwidth to build something new — the free HR Audit will show you where those systems need attention before you scale: saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

— Resources to keep building —

🎯 Take the free HR Audit — Score your HR systems in 5 minutes and see exactly where your gaps are.
👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

🎙️ Listen to Don't Waste the Chaos — The podcast for small business owners building strong people operations.
👉 kerrimroberts.com/podcast

📖 Get The HR Easy Button — Kerri's book on building HR systems that actually work for small businesses.
👉 https://amzn.to/4cPyrFh

✉️ Subscribe to the newsletter — Weekly HR insights for founders, in your inbox every Monday.
👉 saltandlight.myflodesk.com/saltandlightadvisors

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 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/contact

Ready to build foundational HR systems on your own?
 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hrfoundations

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Salt & Light Advisors Collectives — saltandlightadvisors.com (HR in a Box, People Practice Lab, The Leap, The Circle)
• Harvard Business Review (2021) — recurring revenue models grow 5–8x faster stat
• Pavilion and ComSER Community-Led Growth Report (2023) — 70% of business leaders stat
• NFIB Small Business Problems and Priorities Survey (2022) — 80% of small businesses need HR help stat
• LinkedIn Learning Workplace Report (2023) — 74% prefer peer learning stat
• MetLife and US Chamber of Commerce Small Business Report — 60% lack trusted HR advisor stat
• SHRM — 50%+ of mid-level HR professionals lack strategic mentorship stat
• Membership platform tools mentioned: Microsoft Teams, Go High Level, Membership.io, Circle.so, Kajabi

📝 Full show notes + transcript: https://kerrimroberts.com/dontwastethechaos/buildabusinessthatfeelslikehome

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Burnout isn't a signal to push through — it's sacred data telling you something about alignment, calling, and what you were actually built for. In this deeply personal solo episode, Kerri Roberts pulls back the curtain on her full career journey: from hospital registrar and electronic medical records implementer, through five different organizations across healthcare, mortgage, higher ed, insurance, and M&A, to the breaking point that finally sent her in the right direction. This isn't a highlight reel — it's the whole story, including the professional trauma, the betrayal, the exhaustion, and the five-month sabbatical in Israel that changed everything.

In this episode, you'll learn:

1. The full arc of Kerri's corporate career — how she went from hospital admin to COO and why, despite the titles, the M&A deals, and the 50+ million in business she helped oversee, she kept hitting the same wall of frustration, misalignment, and what she now understands was her Human Design not-self theme screaming at her to pay attention
2. The pattern Kerri kept repeating across organizations — she was recruited as the savior, brought in to fix things, and became the scapegoat the moment anything got hard — and why it took her years to see that this wasn't a skills problem, it was a values and alignment problem
3. What Kerri's Human Design profile (manifesting generator, 1/3 profile, sacral authority) and her Gene Keys (47: transmutation, 18: judgment to integrity, 45: dominance to synergy, 26: artfulness, 50: corruption to equilibrium) reveal about why corporate was the right training ground but the wrong long-term home
4. How Salt & Light Advisors was born overnight — what Kerri asked her last employer, the 24-hour conversation that started it all, and what it felt like to wake up the next morning breathing again for the first time in years
5. The three things Kerri would tell anyone sitting in the in-between right now — your burnout is sacred data not a vacation problem; every role you've held was training ground not wasted time; and you can walk away from what's good to build what's right

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Setting the Scene — COO, Exhausted, and Feeling Like a Costume
 01:27 Gene Key 47 — Transmutation: Being Broken Open, Not Broken Down
 02:36 The Early Career — Hospital Admin, Bed Placement, and Finding HR
 05:45 The First HR Role — Excellence-Driven HR at a Distribution Company
 11:35 The Mortgage Company — Building Learning and Development from Scratch
 16:32 The Reckoning — Shared Frustration, Betrayal, and Parting Ways
 18:02 The Sabbatical — Eight Months at Home and Feeling Itchy
 20:16 The University System — The Public Sector Was a Catastrophe for Me
 22:01 The Independent Insurance Agency — The Dream That Became a Grind
 25:15 The M&A Company — The Right Fit, Wrong Function
 29:07 How Salt & Light Advisors Was Born Overnight
 31:47 Launching on Faith From Seaside Florida — Zero Pipeline, Breathing Again
 33:52 The Five-Month Reset — Israel, Solitude, Therapy, and Coming Home
 36:03 Human Design Deep Dive — Manifesting Generator, Sacral Authority, 1/3 Profile
 39:57 Gene Keys That Explain the Whole Journey
 43:15 Why Corporate Was Right Then and Entrepreneurship Is Right Now
 44:50 What I Want You to Take Away — Burnout Is Sacred Data

If you're building or rebuilding your business and want to know whether your people systems are as aligned as your calling, the free HR Audit is a five-minute place to start: saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

— Resources to keep building —

🎯 Take the free HR Audit — Score your HR systems in 5 minutes and see exactly where your gaps are.
👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hraudit

🎙️ Listen to Don't Waste the Chaos — The podcast for small business owners building strong people operations.
👉 kerrimroberts.com/podcast

📖 Get The HR Easy Button — Kerri's book on building HR systems that actually work for small businesses.
👉 https://amzn.to/4cPyrFh

✉️ Subscribe to the newsletter — Weekly HR insights for founders, in your inbox every Monday.
👉 saltandlight.myflodesk.com/saltandlightadvisors

—

Need fractional HR support or want to talk through a specific challenge?
 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/contact

Ready to build foundational HR systems on your own?
 👉 saltandlightadvisors.com/hrfoundations

RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

• Gene Keys by Richard Rudd — referenced throughout episode (link in show notes)
• Kelly Howe — EFT tapping coach and human design practitioner; Episodes 48 and 72 of Don't Waste the Chaos (linked in show notes)
• Human Design — manifesting generator type, 1/3 profile, sacral authority, not-self theme of frustration
• Gene Keys referenced: 47 (transmutation), 18 (judgment to integrity), 26 (artfulness/invisibility), 45 (dominance to synergy), 50 (corruption to equilibrium)
• Malcolm Baldrige National Quality Award and Missouri Quality Award — referenced in episode
• Lean, Kaizen, and Six Sigma — frameworks Kerri learned in her first HR role
• Dan Martell — business coach referenced in episode

📝 Full show notes + transcript: https://kerrimroberts.com/dontwastethechaos/fromburnouttocalling

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