Dr Melanie Joy gave me great insight into the cause of veganism, her transition to becoming an educator and her work as a social psychologist helping vegans to maintain open conversations with non-vegans and how the movement can maintain cohesion as it grows.  We chatted about the state of play for veganism around the world and her thoughts on where it might go from here.

Curiosity in this case did NOT kill the cat, the cow nor any other domestic or agrarian animal.  But. It took a toll.  This podcast was 1 woman short of our full complement.  Lydia will be back for sure next time around, so excuse the one legged, man only approach this time.

You can find more out about Melanie on her site https://www.carnism.org/ or through all her social media channels.