Pat and Dr. Kristin Lyerly talk about Emily Tseffos new column in Dan Shafer’s website The Recombobulation Area, calling on Gov. Tony Evers to use all of the tools at his disposal to get a good state budget: the bully pulpit, the veto pen, and the trust of the people. She and others want Evers to define a standard that supports education, childcare, healthcare, and more—and veto a budget bill that falls short rather than trying to fix it with partial vetoes.

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