Award-winning filmmaker, activist, and founder of Women Rising, Sara Hirsh Bordo joins the Dream Job Podcast to discuss her debut book Autoimmunity and the Good Girls — a groundbreaking exploration of how women raised to self-silence and caretake are disproportionately likely to develop autoimmune disease, and how reclaiming your own voice may be the most powerful medicine of all.
Sara Hirsh Bordo has spent her career building stages for other people's stories — directing award-winning documentaries, founding the women's empowerment production company Women Rising, and being named an Architect of Change by Maria Shriver. But while she was busy lifting up everyone else, her own body was sending a message she couldn't ignore.
In this conversation, Marc and Sara — friends since their days as undergrads at TCU — go deep on her debut book, Autoimmunity and the Good Girls: How Permission to Put Ourselves First Has the Power to Keep Us Well, published by HarperOne/HarperCollins.
Topics covered in this episode:
How Sara's career journey — from Estée Lauder and MGM Studios to Paramount Pictures to documentary filmmaker — was always driven by curiosity and storytelling
What it means to be a "good girl," and why that conditioning starts in girlhood
The connection between the caretaker archetype, birth order, and autoimmune disease
How Sara funded the first quantitative research study at the intersection of female empowerment and autoimmunity — and what the data revealed
Why 80% of autoimmune disease patients are women, and why so many go undiagnosed or unheard
The role of self-suppression in chronic illness — and the science behind it
Sara's personal health journey: Hashimoto's, cancer, tumors — and full remission
How faith intersects with the struggle for self-sovereignty
The butterfly as a symbol for transformation — and why the journey to flight matters more than the flight itself
What Sara hopes the book ultimately does for the women who read it
00:02:28 — Sara on what she actually does for a living
00:05:33 — The hero's journey vs. the heroine's journey
00:10:12 — On catalysts: cozy ones and crushing ones
00:15:47 — The lightbulb moment that led to the book
00:16:19 — What autoimmune disease actually is, explained plainly
00:19:18 — How Sara funded the first research study on this topic
00:22:24 — Beyond birth order: the caretaker archetype
00:27:43 — Sara's full list of diagnoses — and how they all went into remission
00:29:57 — Why women silence themselves in the doctor's office
00:32:01 — The whisper, the tap, the shove
00:33:32 — Why the word "feminist" doesn't appear in the book
00:39:30 — The battered butterfly in a German museum
00:44:58 — What Sara hopes the book's legacy will beAbout Sara Hirsh Bordo: Sara is a 20-time award-winning filmmaker and Founder/CEO of Women Rising. Her documentary debut, A Brave Heart: The Lizzie Velasquez Story, won the Audience Award at SXSW and qualified for the Academy Award. She has directed campaigns for Toyota and ESPN, consulted on the Wonder Woman franchise for Warner Bros., and produced the first TEDxAustinWomen — the most-viewed TEDxWomen event in the world that year. A percentage of her author proceeds are being donated to the Society for Women's Health Research.
Autoimmunity and the Good Girls is available wherever books are sold, including Amazon, and the audiobook — read by Sara herself — is available on Audible.
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