Using 4-Plexes As Banks With The FHA 203k Loan
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Show Notes
- FHA Loan:
- Down Payment: Less than 3.5%
- Credit Score Minimum: 580
- Employment Requirement: At least two years at the current job
- Residency Requirement: Must live in the home for at least one year
- Additional Note: Must have the money for the down payment ready
FHA Loan
- Down Payment: Less than 3.5% of the home's purchase price. This lower down payment makes it more accessible compared to traditional mortgages which typically require 20% down.
- Credit Score Minimum: 580 for the maximum financing option (3.5% down payment). If your credit score is between 500 and 579, you can still qualify but would need to make a 10% down payment.
- Employment Requirement: Must have a steady, verifiable income and be employed by the same employer for at least two years. This helps demonstrate financial stability to lenders.
- Residency Requirement: You are required to occupy the property as your primary residence for at least one year. This loan cannot be used for investment or vacation properties.
- Additional Requirements:
- Mortgage Insurance: You must pay an upfront mortgage insurance premium (UFMIP) which is typically 1.75% of the loan amount, financed into the mortgage, plus an annual premium paid monthly.
- Debt-to-Income Ratio (DTI): Typically, the FHA requires a DTI of less than 43%. This ensures that you are not taking on more debt than you can handle relative to your income.
- Property Standards: The home must meet certain safety, security, and soundness (structural integrity) standards as determined by an FHA appraisal.
- FHA 203k Loan (a variant of the FHA Loan):
- Down Payment: Less than 3.5%
- Credit Score Minimum: 580
- Employment Requirement: At least two years at the current job
- Residency Requirement: Must live in the home for at least one year
- Additional Note: Provides additional funds for home rehabilitation but requires use of an FHA-approved contractor
FHA 203k Loan
- Purpose: Specifically designed for homes that need rehabilitation or repair. It combines the purchase price with renovation costs in a single mortgage, enabling you to finance both without needing a separate loan.
- Down Payment: As with the standard FHA loan, the down payment can be as low as 3.5% depending on your credit score.
- Credit Score Minimum: 580 to qualify for 3.5% down; lower scores may require higher down payments.
- Contractor Requirements: All renovation work must be performed by a licensed contractor who is approved by the FHA. Do-it-yourself (DIY) repairs are typically not allowed unless you can prove you have the necessary expertise and qualifications.
- Types of Repairs Covered: Can include but are not limited to plumbing and electrical repairs, kitchen remodels, bathroom remodels, and even adding additional rooms.
- Consultant Requirement: For extensive projects and repairs, you may need to hire an FHA-approved consultant who will ensure the work is completed on time and within budget.
- Additional Costs: Besides the upfront and annual mortgage insurance premiums, there might be additional fees for inspections, title updates, and an independent consultant.
Action Plans:
- Assess Your Financial Health: Review your credit report, correct any inaccuracies, and improve your credit score if needed. Calculate your DTI and see if you need to pay down debts.
- Save for Down Payment and Closing Costs: Even though FHA loans require a lower down payment, having extra savings can cover closing costs and the upfront mortgage insurance premium.
- Get Pre-Approved: Contact lenders who offer FHA loans and get pre-approved. This will give you a better idea of how much you can afford and demonstrate to sellers that you are a serious buyer.
- Find a Real Estate Agent: Look for an agent experienced with FHA purchases, especially if you are considering an FHA 203k loan.
- Property Search: When searching for properties, consider those that may need repairs as a potential opportunity with an FHA 203k loan. Be sure the properties meet FHA's eligibility criteria.
- Plan Renovations: If opting for an FHA 203k loan, start thinking about your renovation needs and potential contractors. Get estimates and meet with FHA-approved consultants if the renovations are extensive.
Podcast Introduction
- Title: Drink, Smoke, Stocks, Crypto podcast (should have included real estate due to frequent discussions).
- Host: Antonio introduces Ken Davis, Senior Director of Sales at Density 6, along with Grace and Deanna.
- Special Guest: Otis will join later with his questions.
Personal Coffee Preferences
- Antonio: Drinking Starbucks Butterscotch and Green Forest Bold (no sugar or natural flavors), enjoys high caffeine.
- Ken: Drinking Folgers Classic Blend with Caramel Macchiato Creamer on ice.
- Grace: Drinks two to three Coca-Colas a day (including breakfast Coke) and stays fit.
- Ken (Earlier): Had black coffee from McDonald’s.
- Otis: Joins later, none of the crew is drinking alcohol, but potential for evening podcasts with a relaxed atmosphere.
Podcast Frequency and Structure
- Recording Schedule: Possibility of doing episodes Thursday mornings and Friday nights, based on crew availability and question volume.
- Massive Action: Antonio mentions that taking massive action creates problems but enjoys answering questions as it activates his competitive side.
Discussion on HUD and Real Estate Investment
- Antonio’s Recent Phone Call with HUD:
- Non-public housing residents can purchase public housing properties.
- Antonio was looking into resources mentioned in a previous episode regarding property purchases via HUD.
- Grace’s Research on HUD Programs:
- Started researching HUD's Good Neighbor Program for law enforcement, teachers, firefighters, and EMTs, which offers 50% off the sale of a house with a second (silent) mortgage.
- She spoke to the Special Application Center at HUD (contact number: 312-353-6236) for more details on non-public housing residents purchasing properties.
- Antonio’s Links for Listeners:
- Listeners can find resource links in Antonio’s previous episodes under Antonio’s Two Personal Investment Strategies.
Understanding HUD’s Special Application Center
- HUD Programs:
- Public housing residents can purchase the home they live in.
- Non-public housing residents can purchase HUD homes, and Antonio is diving deeper into this program.
- Federal Housing Association (FHA):
- Works with HUD to insure loans for purchasing 2-4 family units, making them eligible for FHA loans.
FHA Loan Requirements and Benefits
- Basic FHA Loan Requirements:
- Down payment: 3.5% (bank may require more).
- Minimum credit score: 580 (likely 600-620 required by the bank).
- Job stability: At least two years on the same job.
- Residency: Must live in the house for at least one year.
- FHA 203K Loan (for distressed properties):
- Same as FHA but for homes needing rehabilitation.
- Down payment: 3.5%, credit score: 580.
- Antonio recommends this option to buy equity by repairing a distressed property.
Antonio’s Real Estate Strategy
- Advice for Investors:
- Buy a fourplex (multi-family unit) with FHA loans, as it offers four doors to generate rental income.
- HUD-approved counselor: Recommended to help find properties for sale.
- Living in the Property:
- For FHA loans, you must live in the property for one year, even if it’s being repaired.
- Antonio suggests locking your money in for 90-day periods, ideally purchasing real estate every 90 days (or four properties per year).
Antonio’s Key Points for Investors
- Title of Today’s Discussion: Could be titled "Acquiring My First Investment Property" or "FHA Loan Strategies."
- Real Estate Investment Tip: Buy real estate on a 90-day cycle to keep investments moving, ideally acquiring four properties per year.
Introduction to Strategy: Splitting 30 Things in Real Estate
- Context: You're not trying to sell homes quickly (fix and flip), so no need to focus on hypermarkets or super hypermarkets.
- Definition of Hypermarkets:
- Homes moving within 60 days or less.
- Realtors use comparables (comps) to check how fast houses move in an area (500 sq ft variance acceptable for same dimensions).
- Definition of Super Hypermarkets:
- Homes moving in 30 days or less.
- Important for fix and flip investors to focus on these markets.
90-Day Real Estate Cycles
- Breakdown of the 90-Day Cycle:
- First 30 days: Buying the property, earnest money, and closing.
- Second 30 days: Repairing the property.
- Third 30 days: Selling the property.
- Goal: Stick to the 90-day window by focusing on hypermarkets and super hypermarkets, ensuring quick sales and avoiding prolonged property holding.
Real Estate Knowledge and Seminar Experience
- Personal Learning: Antonio paid $44,000 for this knowledge at a seminar, shared for free with the audience.
- Avoiding First Mortgage Payment: Investors avoid the first mortgage payment by having their team ready to start repairs immediately after closing.
FHA 203K Loan
- What It Covers: The FHA 203K loan covers both the home purchase and repairs. Requires an FHA-approved contractor for repairs.
- Approved Contractor Requirement: Contractors must be approved by FHA for the 203K loan process.
Creating a Podcast Resource Hub
- Podcast Show Notes: Full show notes available on RedCircle.com, with future plans to create a dedicated website for the podcast.
Fix and Flip Strategy
- Avoid Utility and Mortgage Payments: The fix and flip strategy aims to complete repairs and sell quickly to avoid utility and mortgage payments.
- Appraisal Value Jump: After repairs, the appraisal value of the home can increase significantly (e.g., from $223,000 to $585,000), creating equity with minimal down payment (3.5%).
Loan Considerations for FHA 203K
- Living Requirement: Must live in the home for one year, even with FHA 203K.
- Recommendation: Antonio recommends buying a fourplex with the FHA 203K loan, living in one unit, and renting out the others to cover the mortgage.
Rent Strategy for the Fourplex
- Use of Three Rents: The rent from the three other units should cover the mortgage, taxes, insurance, and other living expenses.
- Delay Gratification: Antonio suggests delaying moving into a dream home by first living in a fourplex for one year and using the rent to build wealth.
Rent and Expense Calculation
- Netting Rent: Calculate rent from the three units after expenses, ensuring it covers the mortgage and repairs.
- Raising Rent: If necessary, raise rent to cover additional costs like repairs or utilities.
Repair Budget for Fourplex
- Budgeting 10% for Repairs: Allocate 10% of the rent from all units (including your own) towards repairs. This includes things like extermination, separating utilities, or fixing structural issues.
Strategic Investing
- Goal: Live rent-free by having tenants cover all expenses through their rent payments. This allows for long-term wealth-building and financial independence.
Real Estate Strategy: Setting Up a Repair Fund
- 10% Allocation for Repairs:
- Take 10% from each rent (per door) and set it aside for repairs.
- This repair fund is to cover minor issues like broken knobs, painting after a child’s scribbling, or pressure washing the driveway.
- The fund prevents unexpected repair costs from coming directly out of your pocket.
Rent Scenario Example
- Rent Calculation Example:
- If each of the three tenants pays $1,000 in rent, you allocate $100 per door (10%) to the repair fund.
- This totals $400 (including your own door).
- If the mortgage is $3,000, you’ll need to cover the difference of $400 from your own funds.
Managing Rent-to-Mortgage Difference
- Real-World Scenario:
- In many cases, the bank will not approve financing with the exact numbers provided due to insufficient coverage.
- In practice, rents will increase after repairs, so eventually, the rent will cover more of the mortgage.
- Even if out-of-pocket initially, paying $400 instead of the full rent means you are still saving.
Benefits of This Scenario
- Post-Move-Out:
- Once you move out of your unit, that extra unit will generate rental income, providing $600 in profit.
- You might not win immediately, but in the long term, you will win.
Importance of Maintaining a Repair Fund
- Preparedness for Unforeseen Events:
- Ensure a dedicated repair fund for unforeseen events like hurricanes, accidents, or electrical issues.
- Avoid using rent from the repair fund, as this protects against unexpected costs (e.g., roof repair, electrical repairs, etc.).
Practical Repairs for Real Estate
- Typical Repairs:
- Replace toilets, doors, and carpeting with each new tenant to maintain property value.
- Larger projects may include separating utilities, such as installing individual meters for each unit.
The Importance of Quality Repairs
- Long-Term Value in Doing It Right the First Time:
- Avoid cutting corners on repairs to save money in the long run.
- Example: Install firewalls early to meet legal requirements and avoid future issues.
Planning Your Exit and Aggressive Strategies
- Exit Planning:
- By month 10, start planning your next move to ensure seamless transition when the 1-year occupancy requirement ends.
- Closing on your next home should be timed shortly after the 365th day of living in the fourplex.
FHA 203K Loan Strategy
- Maximize the Original Loan:
- Get all the repair money upfront within the original FHA 203K loan.
- Avoid needing to ask for more funds later, as this may not be possible.
- Increasing Rent Gradually:
- After repairs, it is easier to justify gradual rent increases, as improved property conditions warrant higher rates.
- If tenants resist rent increases, new tenants can be found, as demand for housing is typically high.
Capitalist Approach to Real Estate
- Delaying Gratification:
- Consider delaying your dream home purchase by staying in the fourplex for an additional year.
- Use rental income to eventually have multiple properties paying for your dream home.
NACA Program as an Alternative
- NACA Program:
- Provides 100% approval and down payment assistance.
- However, it requires living in the home for the entire duration of the mortgage.
- It’s an alternative to FHA but restricts future real estate moves.
Refinancing and Exit Options
- Refinancing to Exit NACA or FHA 203K:
- You can refinance to exit the NACA or FHA loan and transition into a conventional mortgage, ending the requirement to live in the home.
Duplication of the Process
- Can You Duplicate the Process?:
- Yes, but only after living in the first property for one year.
- You can repeat the process with new fourplexes by using conventional mortgages or finding down payment assistance programs.
Long-Term Strategy
- Maximizing with Multiple Properties:
- You are allowed to place up to 16 properties under your Social Security number.
- After one year, transfer ownership to a business entity to protect against legal risks.
Investment Strategy for Savings
- Avoiding Interest-Bearing Accounts:
- Interest-bearing checking or savings accounts are only for holding money when the market isn’t favorable.
- Always aim to invest in high-yield assets (e.g., real estate) rather than keeping money in low-interest accounts.
Investment Rule: Buy Low, Sell High
- The Core of Investment:
- Always aim to buy low and sell high.
- Money should be constantly moving and generating returns, never sitting idle in a low-interest account unless waiting for a market dip.
Use Banks for Strategic Purposes
- When to Use Interest-Bearing Accounts:
- Only use them during unfavorable market conditions, waiting for the right moment to invest.
- Otherwise, invest money in high-yield opportunities like real estate, which can generate substantial returns.
Understanding Why Common Practices Don’t Work
- Common Knowledge: Most people follow practices that don’t work financially, which is why they are common.
- Savings & Checking Accounts: Keeping money in a standard savings or checking account is unwise due to inflation and the devaluation of the dollar.
- Interest-Bearing Accounts: Slightly better but still not the best option.
Investment Vehicles for Growth
- Preferred Investment Vehicles:
- Real estate
- Stock markets
- Bitcoin
- Gold
- Other income-producing assets
- Why Not Checking Accounts:
- Standard checking accounts earn no interest.
- Inflation devalues the money sitting in these accounts.
Using Savings Accounts Strategically
- Savings Account Use:
- Only used when waiting for a market dip to invest.
- Money should be transferred quickly to investments when the market dips.
- Hedging Against Inflation:
- Savings accounts hedge slightly better than checking accounts but are still suboptimal for long-term growth.
Interest-Bearing Accounts
- Certificate of Deposits (CDs):
- A more favorable option than regular checking/savings, but not as strong as active investments.
Investment Strategy Recap
- "Buy Low, Sell High":
- Only use checking/savings accounts when the market is too high to buy.
- The goal is to keep money on the sidelines and jump in when the market dips.
Auto Investing and Market Timing
- Auto-Investing:
- Not ideal because you can’t predict the market’s perfect buy time.
- However, buying at a bad time is still better than not buying at all.
- Holding for the Long Term:
- Even if you buy at a "bad" price, holding your investment for 7 years will likely make that initial price irrelevant as markets rise.
Strategy for Quick Transfers
- Sideline Money:
- Keeping money in interest-bearing checking/savings accounts allows for quick transfers when the market conditions are right.
Savvy Investor’s Approach
- Main Investment Vehicle:
- The primary focus should be on high-yield assets like real estate or stocks, not checking accounts.
- Diversification:
- Invest in diversified assets like Boeing or airlines to keep funds actively growing.
Real Estate as a High-Yield Asset
- Fixing Credit to Acquire Fourplexes:
- Use fourplexes as income-producing assets to fund lifestyle and other investments.
- Maximizing Income from Fourplexes:
- Rent collected from fourplexes can be used to reinvest in other areas like art or minerals.
Property Ownership Limits
- 16 Properties Under Social Security:
- Legally allowed to have 16 properties under your Social Security number.
- Unlimited Properties Under a Business:
- Each property should be placed in its own entity for protection.
Long-Term Strategy: Moving Properties to Businesses
- Entity Structure for Protection:
- Place each property under a separate LLC or entity to protect assets and minimize risk.
- Shift properties from personal to business ownership to protect personal finances.
Capitalist Plan: Scaling with Plexes
- Buy Multiple Plexes:
- Plan to use multiple plexes (4-plex, 6-plex) to generate cash flow and fund other investments.
- No Personal Ownership:
- Keep everything owned by a business, not in your personal name, for legal and financial protection.
Property Management Considerations
- Hiring Property Managers:
- Don’t manage properties yourself; hire property managers to handle operations.
- Focus on Scaling:
- The goal is to focus on finding new properties, not managing day-to-day operations of existing ones.
Key Challenges of Managing Fourplexes
- Main Challenge:
- The biggest challenge is the loss of time and focus if you manage properties yourself.
- It is better to give 10% to a property manager than to lose 100% of your time and energy.
Efficient Use of Time
- Delegation:
- Delegate property management tasks to avoid stress and free up time to focus on new investments.
Property Manager Oversight
- Limits on Authority:
- Give property managers authority but set limits (e.g., costs over a certain amount require your approval).
- Scalable Property Management:
- Choose a property manager who can grow with you, managing future properties as you scale up.
Property Management Firm as a Business
- Starting Your Own Firm:
- Option to start a property management company and hire a property manager to run it.
- Manage not only your properties but others’, creating multiple revenue streams.
Capitalist Efficiency
- Lazy Capitalism:
- Work hard upfront, but set up systems like property management firms to handle operations long-term.
Creating Your Own Bank
- Using Fourplexes as Banks:
- Use the cash flow from fourplexes to fund other investments and create your own economic system.
- Art as an Investment:
- Use art for lavish spending and as collateral for loans.
- The value of art increases over time, and borrowing against it is tax-free.
Leveraging Art for Tax-Free Loans
- Art as a Leveraging Tool:
- Use the value of art to secure loans and create tax-free income.
- Borrowing against the art provides funds without selling it, allowing you to keep the asset while utilizing its value.
Strategy for Social Security and Property Ownership
- Maximizing Credit:
- Only put one or two properties under your Social Security number to keep a strong credit mix.
- Perception of Credit:
- Having a mortgage on your personal credit shows lenders that you are a good credit risk, improving your chances of receiving large loans.
Final Thoughts on Fourplexes and Art
- Fourplexes as Banks:
- Use rental income from fourplexes to build wealth and invest in other high-yield assets.
- Art for Lifestyle:
- Leverage art to fund a lavish lifestyle while using the insurance and loan value of the art to create tax-free income.