Every major operational shift in public safety can be traced back to a call that forces perspective.

For Chief Wayne Baker, one of those calls came during a rare flood event. What was normally a quiet creek had become a dangerous river. Rescue boats were deployed. Crews searched visually along the waterline. Conditions were chaotic, and visibility was limited.

When the drone went up, everything changed.

The aircraft located victims positioned in a tree that rescuers could not see from the water. The drone guided boats directly to the location. Crews later reviewed the footage to confirm positioning before going back in. Fortunately, the individuals had self-extricated, but the outcome could have been very different. That moment demonstrated something powerful. Aerial overwatch was not supplemental. It was decisive.

Later, during a wildfire incident, another defining moment occurred. From the ground, the fire appeared to be progressing in a predictable direction. Once the drone was launched, Chief Baker saw something no one else could. The fire had wrapped in a U-shape around their position, creating a second head running parallel to the original.

Three homes were directly threatened.

Because units were still incoming, he was able to redirect resources immediately. Without that aerial view, those homes likely would have been lost. There is also the possibility that someone could have been inside.

These were not theoretical benefits. They were operational realities.

In this conversation, Chief Baker reflects on how incidents like these permanently shifted the internal dialogue within agencies. The early conversations were filled with questions. Why do we need a drone? Is this necessary? Is this worth the investment?

After water rescues and hidden fire heads, the tone changed.

Now, the question is simple. Why don’t you have one?

Part 1 of this episode captures the early inflection point of public safety drone programs. It is about experience, not hype. It is about what happens when technology intersects with responsibility and command-level decision-making.


What You'll Learn:

• How aerial overwatch directly supported a flood rescue that ground crews could not visually manage
• Why wildfire strategy changes when you can see the entire fire pattern in real time
• How drones compress the time between uncertainty and decision
• What shifted inside public safety agencies as real-world results replaced skepticism
• Why drone programs are now viewed as infrastructure, not experimentation
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [08:03 – 08:50] The First Water Rescue
  Chief Baker describes how a drone located victims in a tree during a rare flooding event when boats could not visually identify them. The aircraft guided responders directly to the location, marking one of the earliest clear validations of drones in emergency response.
  
  
• [44:44 – 45:26] The Hidden Fire Head
  A wildfire wrapped into a U-shaped formation, creating a secondary advancing head that was invisible from the ground. The drone revealed the threat to three homes, allowing incoming units to be redirected in time.
  
  
• [45:26 – 46:09] From “Why Drones?” to “Where’s My Drone?”
  Chief Baker reflects on how repeated operational successes shifted agency culture from questioning the need for drones to expecting them on scene.
  
  

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[This episode was recorded on May 20, 2025. Some references may reflect information available at that time.]

Public safety agencies often treat drones as supplemental tools, useful but optional. Jeff Alexy challenges that mindset.

Drawing from real incidents in San Bernardino County, Jeff explains how drones are now being used as true first responders. In one case, a drone was dispatched instead of a fire engine to a “fire type unknown,” identifying a simple cooking fire and resolving the situation remotely, saving time, money, and critical resources. In another, thermal drones located injured hikers in under a minute when helicopters were unavailable, proving unmanned systems can outperform traditional air assets in time‑critical scenarios.

Jeff also shares his work with the FAA to deploy a 3,000‑pound, 84‑foot wingspan drone capable of flying 24/7, 365 days a year over San Bernardino County. Designed for sustained aerial situational awareness, this program represents a major shift in how large jurisdictions monitor fires, accidents, and emerging threats at scale.

This conversation offers a practical, field‑tested look at how drones reduce risk to firefighters, preserve taxpayer resources, and expand what’s operationally possible in modern emergency response.


What You'll Learn:

• How drones can replace or defer million‑dollar fire apparatus deployments
• Why thermal drones outperform helicopters in certain search and rescue scenarios
• How “fire type unknown” calls are draining resources—and how drones solve it
• What sustained aerial situational awareness actually looks like in practice
• Why working with the FAA—not around it—is key to scaling public safety drone programs
  
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• 14:33 – 15:19] How Drones Replace Million‑Dollar Fire Trucks
  Jeff explains how a drone resolved a homeless cooking fire without deploying a fire engine, preserving resources for higher‑priority emergencies.
  
  
• [21:55 – 22:42] Finding Lost Hikers With Thermal Drones
  Jeff recounts a nighttime rescue where thermal imaging located injured hikers within minutes when helicopters were unavailable.
  
  
• [42:34 – 43:22] First in the Nation: 24/7 County‑Wide Drone Surveillance
  Jeff details his work with the FAA to operate a 3,000‑pound unmanned aircraft for continuous aerial situational awareness.
  
  

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As Drone-as-First-Responder (DFR) programs expand, many agencies believe they are deploying autonomous systems when most operations still rely on remote pilots and manual readiness checks. In this episode, Curt Lary clarifies the difference between true autonomy and remote operations with automation and why that distinction matters in time-critical public safety environments.
Curt examines the infrastructure decisions that define real-world performance, including battery swapping versus charging docks, the necessity of automated pre-flight inspection, and the hidden complexity introduced by scaling multiple drone stations. He also explains why reliability, not innovation optics, is the primary metric that determines whether a DFR program succeeds during a 911 response.

This conversation equips public safety leaders, program managers, and policymakers with a grounded framework for evaluating autonomy claims and building drone programs designed for continuous availability, regulatory alignment, and long-term scalability.


What You'll Learn:

• The difference between true drone autonomy and remote operations labeled as autonomous
• Why battery swapping dramatically improves uptime and reduces system complexity
• How automated pre-flight inspections enable zero-human-intervention missions
• Why small readiness gaps create major risks in 911 response environments
• How infrastructure choices impact cost, reliability, and scalability
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [31:54 – 32:15] The New Standard for True Drone Autonomy 
  Curt explains why automated pre-flight inspection is a prerequisite for autonomy. He outlines how machine-learning-based aircraft health checks must meet or exceed the safety standards of on-site operators to satisfy both operational and regulatory requirements.
  
  
• [33:31 – 34:09] Why Battery Swapping Beats Charging Docks for DFR 
  Curt breaks down how battery swapping enables a single aircraft to maintain higher uptime than multiple charging-based stations. He explains why attempting to match that availability through redundancy increases cost, complexity, and failure risk.
  
  
• [43:20 – 43:55] Reliability Is Non-Negotiable in 911 Response
  Curt details why public safety operations cannot tolerate partial readiness. He highlights how variables as small as battery charge thresholds directly affect flight time and mission success when seconds matter.
  
  

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In Part 2 of DroneCast: Rethinking Public Safety, One Drone at a Time, we continue our conversation with Christopher Robertson, Director of the CSU Drone Center, focusing on the real-world challenges of sustaining and scaling public safety drone programs. The discussion goes beyond technology, offering a candid look at funding, leadership, and long-term program development.

Chris breaks down how modern UAS programs are funded through a mix of grants, education initiatives, cost-recovery services, and industry partnerships. He explains how these strategies support hands-on training, STEM education, and access to advanced aircraft like the Autel Dragonfish—giving students and first responders rare exposure to long-endurance ISR platforms that increasingly rival traditional government systems in both capability and cost.

The episode also explores emerging technologies such as Drones as First Responders (DFR), drone-in-a-box systems, CAD integration, and autonomous dispatch. Drawing on his background in law enforcement and 911 dispatch, Chris explains how launching drones directly from dispatch centers could dramatically improve response times and officer safety, while addressing public concerns through transparency and proactive community engagement.

Rounding out the conversation, Chris shares his vision for the future of the CSU Drone Center, including investment in American-made aircraft, regulatory progress at the FAA, and plans for a purpose-built airfield facility. He also offers advice for aspiring drone professionals, emphasizing that Part 107 is only the starting point—and that long-term success comes from deep system knowledge, continuous learning, and curiosity.


What You'll Learn:

• How public safety drone programs are funded through grants, education, and services
• Why hands-on access to aircraft like the Dragonfish is a game-changer
• What Drones as First Responders (DFR) really mean for dispatch and response times
• How public perception impacts drone adoption—and how agencies can manage it
• Why transparency matters more than fear when introducing drones to communities
• The growing role of American-made drones in government-funded research
• How FAA processes are improving—and where challenges still exist
• What it takes to build a long-term, sustainable drone career
• Why being a “drone nerd” matters more than just passing Part 107
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [02:54] Hands-On with the Dragonfish
   Chris explains why access to long-endurance ISR aircraft like the Dragonfish is rare—and how civilian platforms are closing the gap with military-grade systems.
  
  
• [04:28] Emerging Technologies That Matter
   From eVTOLs to autonomous dispatch-launched drones, Chris shares what excites him most about the next wave of UAS innovation.
  
  
• [07:14] American-Made Drones & Research Reality
   Why government-funded research is accelerating the push toward U.S.-manufactured aircraft—and what that means for the industry.
  
  
• [10:03] The True Cost of Drone Programs
   Chris breaks down why drones aren’t “toys” and how cost misunderstandings limit adoption, especially in small agencies.
  
  
• [13:23] Public Perception vs. Reality
   Why fears of surveillance are often overstated—and how transparency and community engagement change the narrative.
  
  
• [17:00] FAA Progress & Regulatory Wins
   A real-world example of approvals dropping from 44 days to just 5—and why that matters for public safety operations.
  
  
• [19:02] The 5-Year Vision for the CSU Drone Center
   A look at the future: a purpose-built airfield facility designed for collaboration, training, and next-gen drone research.
  
  
• [24:23] Advice for the Next Generation of Drone Pilots
   Why Part 107 is only the beginning—and how deep system knowledge separates average pilots from true professionals.
  
  
• [28:33] Video Games, Running, and Better Pilots
   How gaming, muscle memory, and mental clarity contribute to better drone operators.

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In this 2-part episode of DroneCast: Rethinking Public Safety, One Drone at a Time, host Joe Kearns III speaks with Christopher Robertson, a public safety aviation professional whose career spans law enforcement operations, traditional manned aviation, and unmanned aerial systems. Drawing from this unique background, Chris shares how he has bridged the discipline of conventional aviation with modern UAS applications to transform tactical decision-making in public safety missions—especially in environments where terrain, visibility, and risk limit traditional approaches.

For Part 1 Chris provides firsthand accounts of how drones have reshaped operations in the field, including a SWAT mission where a drone’s noise and visibility were deliberately used as a distraction, allowing officers to safely apprehend a suspect in dense, wooded terrain. He also recounts a high-angle rescue on Grey Rock, where drones delivered critical situational awareness before responders committed to hazardous rope systems over a 300-foot drop.

The conversation further explores training and certification challenges within the drone industry. As a traditional pilot, Chris highlights the stark contrast between manned aviation certification standards and Part 107 drone licensing, raising important questions about skill validation, safety, and preparedness as drones increasingly operate in shared airspace. Throughout the episode, he emphasizes that drones are not replacements for first responders, but force multipliers—tools that reduce uncertainty, improve planning, and ultimately protect lives. This episode is essential listening for law enforcement leaders, search-and-rescue teams, aviation professionals, and agencies building or scaling public safety drone programs.

Stay tuned for Part 2!

What You'll Learn:

• How drones can be used as tactical distractions during law enforcement operations
• Why UAS are critical tools in high-angle and remote rescue missions
• How drones improve situational awareness before responders commit to risk
• The limitations of written-only drone certification and why hands-on training matters
• Key differences between manned aviation standards and Part 107 licensing
• How drones act as force multipliers—not replacements—in public safety
• Why experience-driven training is essential for safe drone integration
  
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [17:19] The Certification Gap in Drone Aviation
  Chris explains why Part 107 certification relies solely on a written test and how this differs from manned aviation, where pilots must demonstrate real-world skills. He discusses why hands-on evaluation is critical as drones increasingly operate in shared airspace.
  
  
• [19:44] Using Drones as Tactical Distractions
  A SWAT operation in wooded terrain leads to a creative use of drone noise and visibility—redirecting a suspect’s attention and allowing officers to move in safely and undetected.
  
  
• [22:34] Drones in High-Angle Rescue Operations
  Chris recounts a cliff rescue on Grey Rock involving a 300-foot drop, where drones provided essential intelligence to plan rope systems and safely extract the stranded individual.

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In this captivating episode of DroneCast, host Joe Kearns III speaks with Michael Hill, a drone technology expert with more than two decades of experience in public safety. They dive into the evolution of drone technology, from search and rescue missions to emergency medical response, while discussing the current challenges and future opportunities in the field. Michael, who is a certified UAV pilot in three countries, shares how drones are improving the speed and effectiveness of emergency responses, as well as the role of AI and autonomous systems in advancing drone capabilities. The episode also touches on practical strategies for departments looking to start or grow their drone programs, including overcoming training and funding barriers. Michael highlights the importance of standardized training, public trust, and transparent communication to ensure the successful integration of drones into emergency services. The conversation also looks ahead to future innovations, including medical deliveries and expanded uses for drones in public safety.

Michael Hill is a pioneering figure in the drone and public safety landscape. With experience ranging from his work at Microsoft to leadership roles in search and rescue and drone integration, Michael has trained and certified hundreds of remote pilots and advised on cutting-edge applications like drone medical deliveries. His company, Uncrude Aerospace, continues to push innovation while supporting first responders through education, advocacy, and operational guidance. His broad expertise and passion for the field make him a trusted voice in drone technology.

This episode is packed with valuable insights for agencies and individuals interested in launching or scaling drone operations. Whether you're navigating limited budgets, seeking to build public trust, or exploring new use cases, this conversation offers a roadmap for using unmanned aerial systems to improve emergency response and save lives.


What You'll Learn:

• How drones are transforming emergency response, enhancing situational awareness and reducing response times
• Why education, transparency, and community engagement are essential for effective drone program implementation
• The critical role of AI and autonomous systems in enhancing drone capabilities for public safety operations
• How smaller departments can make the most of drone technology despite budget constraints
• The importance of standardized training and certification to ensure safe and effective drone operations
• How to foster public trust and combat misinformation surrounding drones in emergency services
• The future of drones in emergency medical services, including the potential for medical deliveries and patient monitoring
• The significance of U.S.-based innovation in drone manufacturing for supporting first responders
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• 11:30] Lifesaving Drone Applications in Emergency Response
  Michael Hill shares his experience working with a Norwegian company that used drones to deliver defibrillators, achieving up to 80% survival rates when reaching patients within minutes. The system included two-way communication allowing dispatchers to guide people through using the defibrillator, demonstrating how drones can provide critical medical support. This innovation addresses the challenge of rapid response times in medical emergencies, especially in hard-to-reach areas. The technology allows immediate eyes on the situation while medical teams are en route, with the drone's ability to deliver life-saving equipment providing crucial early intervention. For emergency responders, this capability transforms traditional response methods by combining speed, accuracy, and direct assistance.
  
  
• [31:36] Building Public Trust Through Transparency
  During the COVID-19 pandemic, Michael's team used drones at the Texas Motor Speedway FEMA facility for crowd monitoring and vehicle counting, demonstrating practical applications of drone technology. Their transparent approach helped the public understand and accept drone operations by clearly communicating their purpose and benefits. This strategy directly addresses common misconceptions about drone surveillance and privacy concerns. By actively engaging with the community and showing real-world applications, they built trust and support for drone programs. The success of this approach shows how transparency and education can transform public perception of drone technology in emergency response.
  
  
• [40:07] Securing Support for Public Safety Drone Programs
  Michael emphasizes the importance of educating public officials and city managers about the concrete benefits of drone technology in emergency response. He recommends focusing on demonstrating real-world applications and success stories from around the globe to justify program funding. This approach helps overcome the common perception of drones as mere toys rather than essential public safety tools. By highlighting how drones enhance officer safety and public service capabilities, agencies can better justify investment in drone programs. The key is consistently showing how drone technology directly improves emergency response capabilities and community safety.
  
  
• [50:27] Getting Started in Public Safety Drone Operations
  Michael advises newcomers to start by studying for their Part 107 license to understand the fundamentals of operating in national airspace. He emphasizes the importance of understanding both the technology's capabilities and its regulatory framework before implementation. This foundation helps agencies develop effective and compliant drone programs from the start. The next step is connecting with local first responders to learn about existing programs and identify opportunities for collaboration. Success comes from combining technical knowledge with community engagement and practical application in public safety scenarios.
  
  
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Our host Joe Kearns welcomes DJ Smith, a recently retired 31-years in public safety who served as the Unmanned Aerial CUAS Program Coordinator for the Virginia State Police and now joins Amazon Global’s SPEAR STT organization.

From his early days experimenting with drones to becoming a national leader in counter-drone defense, DJ shares how dedication to safety, education, and innovation drives his mission. He discusses how counter-drone technology is evolving to defend against emerging threats, why legislative reform is vital for local enforcement, and how real-world testing in Virginia — and now his work in the private sector — are setting a new standard for airspace security.

DJ also highlights how collaboration between agencies mirrors the teamwork and discipline found in military service — proving that protecting our homeland extends beyond the battlefield. This episode is a powerful reminder that service takes many forms, and innovation is the next frontier of defense.


What You’ll Learn:

• Why autonomous drones are redefining counter-UAS response
• How budget limitations restrict SLTT access to advanced detection tools
• Why remote ID 2.0 must be rebuilt for real compliance
• The biggest challenges in urban CUAS testing and signal propagation
• How dark drones bypass traditional detection systems
• Why ports are high-risk choke points for drone threats
• The role of drones in wildfire, EMS, and DFR operations
• Best practices for training police and responders on drone incidents
• How education can reduce 95% of drone-related problems
• DJ’s “Day One” vision for national drone safety standards
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [00:04:21] The “Day One” Framework — Clear Rules Before Advanced Air Mobility - Joe Kearns calls for an 18-month national drone education campaign followed by a firm “Day One” enforcement date. Without clear rules, agencies can’t distinguish mistakes from violations. His model: educate first, enforce second. Virginia already uses this approach with reference cards that apply aircraft registration rules to drones — a foundation needed before scaling advanced air mobility like medical deliveries.
  
  
• [00:05:55] Urban Testing Exposes Detection Gaps - Urban environments create signal reflection, absorption, and RF congestion that desert testing fails to reveal. DHS testing showed cities can mask drone signatures entirely. Real effectiveness requires urban-specific sensor placement, altitude tuning, and overlap zones — not desert-based assumptions. Norfolk’s sensor project proves agencies must test in real terrain to reach realistic 70–80% detection accuracy.
  
  
• [00:10:42] Hampton Roads: From $1M to $30–50K Per Square Mile - Hampton Roads cut airspace awareness costs from $1M+ to $30–50K per square mile by leveraging military infrastructure and federal partners. This makes scalable detection possible for SLTT agencies with limited budgets. The model also supports future drone services like emergency medical deliveries. Core principle: start small, expand outward, and share data across agencies.
  
  
• [00:25:42] Treat Every Drone as Evidence - Kearns advises officers to treat every drone as evidence until proven otherwise. Innocent crashes can hide stalking, espionage, or network intrusion — as seen when a Phantom 4 sniffed banking credentials during a breach attempt. Protocol: 300-ft perimeter, forensic documentation, and use of existing aviation laws for registration and pilot requirements. This evidence chain turns drone incidents into prosecutable cases.
  
  
• [00:28:55] Use Existing Aviation Codes for Drone Enforcement - Most states already classify drones as aircraft, meaning registration, licensing, and sobriety rules apply without new laws. This removes ambiguity and improves compliance. Virginia and Georgia now train officers with a card showing pilot-interaction steps and crime-scene protocols grounded in aviation law. Result: consistent enforcement and fewer legal loopholes.
  
  
• [00:32:31] Drones as Tactical & SAR Force Multipliers - Virginia’s seven full-time tactical teams use drones on every callout—from meth labs to attic clears—because drones absorb risk officers would face. “I’d rather replace a drone than a trooper.” Drones also cut search-and-rescue time and reduce helicopter conflicts using clear deconfliction policies. The takeaway: drones reduce danger, speed operations, and deliver measurable ROI for public safety leadership.

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• DJ Smith on LinkedIn
• Joe Kearns on LinkedIn
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In honor of Veterans Day, this special episode of DroneCast celebrates those who serve — not just on the frontlines, but also in the critical missions that protect our nation every day. Host Joe Kearns welcomes DJ Smith, a recently retired 31-year veteran in public safety who served as the Unmanned Aerial CUAS Program Coordinator for the Virginia State Police and now joins Amazon Global’s SPEAR STT organization.From his early days experimenting with drones to becoming a national leader in counter-drone defense, DJ shares how dedication to safety, education, and innovation drives his mission. He discusses how counter-drone technology is evolving to defend against emerging threats, why legislative reform is vital for local enforcement, and how real-world testing in Virginia — and now his work in the private sector — are setting a new standard for airspace security.

DJ also highlights how collaboration between agencies mirrors the teamwork and discipline found in military service — proving that protecting our homeland extends beyond the battlefield. This episode is a powerful reminder that service takes many forms, and innovation is the next frontier of defense.

What You’ll Learn:

• How counter-drone legislation impacts state and local enforcement capabilities
• The importance of detection, tracking, and decoding in modern CUAS operations
• How Virginia is pioneering real-world drone detection and airspace awareness
• Why correctional facilities could be the testbeds for mitigation tools
• How remote ID and decoding could reshape national drone policy
• The role of education in bridging the knowledge gap for law enforcement and the public
• Why counter-drone technology and DFR programs must evolve together
• How data-driven insights can guide smarter legislative carve-outs
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [00:06:11] Education is the First Line of Defense  – DJ explains that the biggest challenge in counter-drone work isn't technology—it’s education. Misconceptions persist among hobbyists, law enforcement, and even legislators, making it vital to teach what ‘safe and legal flight’ really means.
  
  
• [00:09:56] Legislative Limitations on Detection – Smith outlines how current laws restrict agencies to passive detection only, preventing them from decoding or identifying most drones. He discusses how this limits situational awareness and why federal carve-outs are needed.
  
  
• [00:16:16] Virginia’s Real-World Testing – DJ describes how the Virginia Innovation Partnership Corporation deployed mobile detection trailers statewide to create a snapshot of airspace activity—revealing hundreds of weekly drone flights, most undetected by standard tools.
  
  
• [00:23:29] The Case for Mitigation Carve-Outs – Correctional facilities, Smith argues, offer controlled environments ideal for testing mitigation tools safely. He details how drones are used to smuggle contraband, even weapons, into prisons—underscoring the urgency for legislative change.
  
  
• [00:25:31] The Economic Stakes of Drone Espionage – From shipyards to chemical plants, DJ warns that industrial espionage via drones costs the U.S. billions annually. He calls for detection rights at critical infrastructure sites to protect intellectual property.
• [00:31:47] Lessons from 9/11 – Smith emphasizes the need for a national reporting system for drone incidents, drawing parallels to intelligence gaps before 9/11. He argues that connecting small signals can prevent large-scale security threats.
  
  
• [00:32:44] The Future of Detection and Mitigation – DJ outlines the evolution of advanced decoding, AI-driven identification, and soft cyber takeover as the next frontier for CUAS technology—balancing security and safety in shared airspace.
  
  

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In “Scaling DFR: Regional Collaboration, Real-World Training, and the Road Beyond Part 108,” DroneCast host Joe Kearns and guest Matt Sloane from Skyfire AI unpack what DFR “at scale” really looks like and how public safety organizations can prepare for it. Building on Part 1’s breakdown of the FAA’s proposed Part 108 rule, this episode dives into the operational realities of bringing DFR programs beyond pilot projects. Matt and Joe highlight the importance of regional and state-level cooperation, where agencies share radar, infrastructure, and data to reduce costs and improve interoperability.

They discuss why interoperability and cost-sharing models are essential to success and how the lack of them currently slows the industry’s growth. As Matt notes, the key is collaboration, not competition, between police, fire, EMS, and city departments that often operate in silos.

The conversation then turns to Skyfire AI’s new training and testing facility in Huntsville, Alabama, a 2,200-acre “DFR Village” designed for hands-on testing of hardware, software, and real-world scenarios. This environment allows agencies to compare platforms, simulate incidents, and develop scalable, compliant programs ahead of Part 108’s adoption.

Finally, Matt and Joe address why some DFR programs fail, citing unrealistic expectations, overreliance on vendor promises, and lack of ongoing operational support. They advocate for starting small, focusing on mission relevance, and developing partnerships that extend beyond sales. The episode concludes with a look ahead at cybersecurity, autonomy, and data-sharing mandates that Part 108 will usher in, urging leaders to take their programs, policies, and training more seriously than ever.

What You’ll Learn:

• What “DFR at scale” looks like beyond individual agency deployments
• How cost-sharing radar and infrastructure enable regional operations
• Why interoperability between hardware and software vendors remains a major challenge
• The role of AI and autonomy in managing multi-ship or swarm operations
• The purpose of Skyfire AI’s new 2,200-acre training facility and how it supports DFR adoption
• Why most DFR programs fail—and how to avoid the pitfalls of hype-driven spending
• The growing importance of cybersecurity and physical site security under Part 108
• Practical steps for midsize agencies to build sustainable, compliant DFR programs
• How collaboration through organizations like Drone Responders fosters best practices
• Why public safety leaders must take program governance, data, and training seriously
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [00:15] The Future is Regional
  Joe Kearns explains why local, regional, and even statewide DFR programs are inevitable—and how shared radar and cost-sharing can make it possible.
• [08:56] The DFR Village: Training Without the Guesswork
  Matt describes Skyfire’s new training facility, where agencies can test drones, sensors, and software in real-world conditions before purchasing—saving time and avoiding mismatched investments.
  
  
• [11:36] Why DFR Programs Fail
  Unrealistic expectations and one-size-fits-all thinking cause most programs to stall. Matt emphasizes the importance of pilot projects, iterative learning, and program alignment with actual mission needs.
  
  
• [16:00] Start Small, Scale Smart
  Matt shares how agencies can begin DFR operations today with minimal cost—by simply deploying from rooftops within line of sight—and grow strategically from there.
  
  
• [21:54] Cybersecurity and Physical Site Access
  Under Part 108, operators must adopt strict access controls, reporting, and data safeguards, with TSA now involved in the regulatory conversation.
  
  
• [23:40] Detect and Avoid Dilemmas
  Matt warns that the FAA’s radar and detect-and-avoid requirements could pose cost barriers for small operators—and calls for a more flexible, scalable approach.
  
  
• [27:33] The Future of Skyfire AI
  Matt outlines Skyfire’s focus on autonomy, multi-ship formations, and AI-driven mission planning to expand DFR capabilities safely and efficiently.

Episode Resources:

• Matt Sloane on LinkedIn
• Joe Kearns on LinkedIn
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In “Decoding Part 108: The Future Framework for BVLOS Operations,” DroneCast host Joe Kearns talks with Matt Sloane, Co-founder and Chief Strategy Officer at Skyfire AI, about the FAA’s proposed Part 108 rule, a pivotal step toward normalizing Beyond Visual Line of Sight (BVLOS) drone operations across the U.S.

Part 108 isn’t yet an official rule; it’s a proposal from the FAA designed to create a scalable, risk-based framework for BVLOS operations, replacing today’s fragmented system of case-by-case waivers under Part 107. The concept evolved from the BVLOS Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) and the FAA’s broader Drone Integration Concept of Operations (ConOps). The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) titled “Normalizing UAS BVLOS Operations” was published on August 7, 2025 (Docket FAA-2025-1908), with the public comment period closing October 6, 2025. The FAA is now reviewing feedback and drafting a final rule, with no confirmed release date.

At its core, the NPRM proposes:

• Two authorization tiers for BVLOS flights, lower-risk permitted operations and higher-risk certificated operations, linked to aircraft type and mission risk.
• A predictable pathway for routine BVLOS missions like package delivery, inspection, agriculture, and public safety.
• A clarified right-of-way framework for drones versus crewed aircraft, emphasizing cooperative equipage and electronic visibility.
• A shift from individual pilot liability to organizational accountability, requiring roles like operations supervisors and flight coordinators with formalized training, reporting, and safety oversight.
• A structured path for airworthiness acceptance and standardized operational approvals, replacing the current patchwork of waivers.

Matt unpacks how these proposed changes could reshape public safety drone programs, especially Drone as First Responder (DFR) models. He explains why Part 108 represents a “step change for the industry,” why the FAA’s preference for autonomous operations is a paradigm shift, and how AI can ease the cognitive load on pilots rather than replace them.
With his deep background, spanning 14 years in media with CNN, EMS leadership, and aviation experience, Matt offers an informed, boots-on-the-ground perspective on how Part 108 could transform daily operations once finalized.

What You’ll Learn:

• The true nature of Part 108 as a proposed rule, not yet finalized
• What the FAA’s NPRM (Normalizing UAS BVLOS Operations) proposes and why it matters
• The timeline and key milestones from the May 2025 Drone Integration ConOps to the Oct 2025 comment deadline
• The two-tiered structure for BVLOS operations: permitted vs. certificated
• Why this marks a step change for the drone industry
• How autonomy and AI are driving the next era of flight operations
• What organizational accountability means for public safety and commercial operators
• How the FAA plans to define right-of-way and airworthiness under the new framework
• What will change for operators once the rule is adopted—training, roles, and recordkeeping
• How this proposal sets the stage for routine, scalable BVLOS missions across industries
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [10:20] Step Change for the Industry
  Matt calls Part 108 the biggest regulatory shift the drone industry has ever seen. Building on the foundation of Part 107, this new rule acts as “107 on steroids,” paving the way for long-range inspection, delivery, and advanced public safety operations like search and rescue.
  
  
• [16:04] Autonomy Paradigm Shift
  Matt explains the FAA’s unprecedented statement that it doesn’t anticipate human pilots flying drones under Part 108. This marks a paradigm shift toward full autonomy, especially as platforms like Skyfire AI and DroneSense already integrate semi-autonomous functions in their operations.
  
  
• [21:51] The AI Hesitancy Factor
  While AI can handle many pilot responsibilities, Matt acknowledges the industry’s concern about automation “taking over jobs.” Instead, he views it as a tool that offloads cognitive load, allowing pilots to focus on decisions AI can’t make.
  
  
• [17:00] From Rooftop Observers to Optical Detection
  Matt discusses the coming end of “rooftop observers” for agencies once their COAs expire and the likely transition toward radar or optical detection systems, signaling a major evolution in visual deconfliction practices.
  
  
• [18:00] Organizational Accountability
  Under Part 108, the FAA will hold organizations—not individual pilots—responsible for compliance. This change brings a new layer of professionalism and oversight to public safety drone programs.

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• Matt Sloane on LinkedIn
• Joe Kearns on LinkedIn
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Previous Guests include: Matt Rowland, Jason Burnside

Check out our 3 most downloaded episodes:

• Revolutionizing Emergency Response: Chris Lester on Drones in EMS
• Navigating Drone Program Challenges: Lessons from George Mason University
• Navigating the Future of Counter-Drone Operations: Insights from Jack Venables
  
  

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