In this insightful episode of DroneCast, host Joe Kearns interviews Randall Warnas, CEO of Anzu Robotics, about the opportunities and challenges of building a leading American drone company. With a background spanning years in the drone industry, Randall offers a behind-the-scenes look at how Anzu has quickly positioned itself among the top five largest drone manufacturers in its first year of operation—serving public safety agencies, utilities, agronomists, and surveyors seeking secure, non-Chinese drone solutions.

The discussion explores how Anzu leverages licensed technology to deliver commercially viable products while maintaining strict data security standards. Joe explains the delicate balance between affordability, capability, and compliance, offering a practical roadmap for navigating a market long dominated by DJI. He also unpacks the “Decision Matrix” for understanding drone market segmentation, the importance of community building, and why focusing on commercial applications can be more sustainable than chasing defense contracts.

From market positioning to geopolitical navigation, Randall shares how transparency, American values, and strong industry relationships create long-term trust and growth. The episode delivers a rare blend of technical, strategic, and relationship-building insights for drone professionals, policymakers, and commercial operators alike.


What You'll Learn:

• How to bridge the gap between Chinese and domestic drone manufacturing while ensuring security and affordability
• Strategies for positioning American drone companies
• Why customer engagement and community building are critical to long-term success
• How to navigate complex geopolitical and regulatory challenges in drone manufacturing
• The “Decision Matrix” for understanding drone market segmentation
• How to identify genuine market opportunities versus misleading projections
• The advantages of focusing on commercial applications over defense contracts
• Why transparency and American values are key to building trust in the drone industry
• How to balance technical innovation with real-world market needs
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [05:22] The Decision Matrix for Drone Selection - Randall Warnas introduces a clear decision matrix for organizations evaluating drone purchases, starting with whether they can use DJI or Chinese-manufactured drones. For those who cannot use Chinese drones due to security requirements, the next tier involves evaluating domestic and Blue UAS options, which often come with higher costs and unnecessary features. Kearns positions Anzu in a strategic middle ground, offering secure, non-Chinese manufacturing without the premium pricing of military-spec systems. This approach specifically targets commercial users who need reliable, cost-effective drones without thermal capabilities or military-grade features. By manufacturing in Malaysia and securing data with US companies, Anzu provides a practical solution for organizations navigating drone procurement challenges.
  
  
• [14:31] The Power of Active Listening in Industry Leadership - Warnas emphasizes the importance of truly listening to customer needs and industry feedback rather than dismissing new ideas outright. Through his mentorship program offering "career therapy" sessions, he's accumulated over 60 hours of direct conversations with industry professionals, gaining invaluable insights into real market needs. This approach has helped him identify genuine opportunities while avoiding common pitfalls that trap less experienced manufacturers. By focusing on consistent feedback patterns across different stakeholders, he's able to make more informed decisions about product development and market strategy. The result is a more grounded approach to building solutions that actually serve customer needs rather than chasing speculative market opportunities.
  
  
• [19:28] Building Positive Industry Relationships - Warnas advocates for a consciously positive approach to industry engagement, particularly on social media platforms where negativity often dominates. He emphasizes the importance of supporting competitors' achievements and avoiding toxic interactions that can damage both personal and company reputations. This strategy has helped build genuine relationships across the industry, creating valuable networks and opportunities for collaboration. By focusing on constructive engagement and authentic relationship building, companies can create a stronger foundation for long-term success in the drone industry. The approach has proven particularly valuable in navigating complex industry dynamics and building trust with potential partners and customers.
  
  
• [28:49] Understanding Real Market Dynamics vs Market Reports - Warnas warns against relying too heavily on market research reports that often present inflated projections about the drone industry's growth. He points out that many manufacturers make strategic mistakes by building products based on these reports rather than actual customer needs and market realities. The key insight is that while reports might suggest massive market opportunities, the practical reality often involves much smaller, more focused customer segments with specific needs. By maintaining close customer relationships and understanding actual use cases, companies can develop more targeted and successful product strategies. This approach helps avoid the common pitfall of creating over-featured products that miss the mark on actual customer requirements.
  
  

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In this feature-packed episode of DroneCast, host Joe Kearns interviews Brandon Karr, an internationally recognized expert in unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) for public safety. With a background in aviation dating back to 2006 and extensive experience in law enforcement, Brandon served as the chief pilot and UAS integrations coordinator for the Pearland Police Department. He was instrumental in launching one of the nation’s first Drone as First Responder (DFR) programs and successfully secured the first-ever FAA Beyond Visual Line of Sight (BVLOS) waiver for public safety use.

As co-founder of the Unmanned Tactical Group, Brandon has helped over 600 agencies across the United States build and strengthen their drone programs. He is also an active committee member for Drone Responders and the Law Enforcement Drone Association (LEDA) and a frequent speaker at major UAS and public safety conferences.

This episode explores the evolution of DFR programs and the strategies needed to turn them from concept into reality. Brandon offers practical advice on navigating regulatory hurdles, securing funding, building internal support, and leveraging platforms like DroneSense for real-time coordination. He shares how to use data and performance metrics to demonstrate program value to stakeholders and describes how agencies can integrate drones with future technologies like terrestrial robots and submersibles.

Whether you’re launching a new drone initiative or scaling an existing one, this conversation is packed with expert-level guidance to help public safety leaders operationalize drones in ways that improve response times, enhance safety, and create long-term program sustainability.

What You'll Learn:

• How to establish and scale a successful DFR program from concept to implementation
• Why BVLOS authorization is essential and how to secure it
• Funding strategies through grants, cross-agency collaboration, and community buy-in
• How to manage resistance and gain support through education and data-driven success
• Advantages of using the DroneSense platform for situational awareness and coordination
• How networking boosts program growth and resilience
• How detection tech reduces staffing pressure and operational costs
• Future integration with land-based robots, underwater drones, and large-scale aerial platforms
• The importance of continuous training and regulation updates for drone teams
• Using metrics and outcomes to communicate value to decision-makers
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [00:08:52] The Power of DFR Programs - Brandon Karr explains how Drone as First Responder (DFR) programs enable drones to arrive at emergency scenes within 90 seconds of a 911 call, beating traditional first responders 70% of the time. The system's rapid response allows for real-time situational awareness before ground units arrive, enabling better resource allocation and response planning. DFR capabilities allow departments to disregard unnecessary responses in over 25% of calls, freeing up officers for higher-priority situations. The program uses strategically positioned drones with high-powered cameras to assess situations, determine injury severity, and guide appropriate emergency response levels. Through DFR implementation, departments can significantly reduce response times while enhancing officer and public safety.
  
  
• [00:32:25] Strategic Funding for DFR Programs - Karr reveals that successful DFR funding requires breaking down departmental silos and demonstrating value across multiple divisions, including law enforcement, fire, and emergency management. He emphasizes leveraging diverse funding sources, including DOJ grants, FEMA grants, Walmart grants, and community partnerships. The key is understanding that DFR programs benefit multiple stakeholders, from reducing officer exposure to dangerous situations to improving emergency response times. Departments should focus on educating stakeholders about cost savings through reduced liability, faster scene clearance, and more efficient resource deployment. The initial investment in DFR technology typically pays for itself through operational efficiencies and reduced risk exposure.
  
  
• [00:43:01] BVLOS Operations Transform Staffing Requirements - Beyond Visual Line of Sight (BVLOS) authorization dramatically reduces the personnel needed to operate DFR programs, cutting staffing requirements from 10 people to just 5 for 24/7 coverage. This efficiency is achieved by eliminating the need for multiple visual observers and allowing a single teleoperator to manage drone operations remotely. The technology enables departments to expand their drone programs without proportionally increasing staff costs. Implementation of BVLOS capabilities helps demonstrate program success through increased flight hours and documented wins. This operational model makes DFR programs more feasible and sustainable for departments of all sizes.

• [00:47:47] Building Success Through Community Networking - Karr emphasizes that networking within the drone community is crucial for program success, highlighting organizations like DRONERESPONDERS and the Law Enforcement Drone Association as valuable resources. He stresses the importance of learning from others' experiences to avoid common pitfalls and accelerate program development. The drone public safety community actively shares knowledge because they understand it directly impacts life-saving capabilities. Attending conferences and joining professional organizations provides access to best practices, emerging technologies, and supportive relationships. This collaborative approach helps agencies build more effective programs while avoiding costly mistakes and delays.
  
  

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In Part 2 of this compelling DroneCast series, host Joe Kearns reconnects with Greg Reverdiau of the Pilot Institute to explore the next phase of public safety drone program development—one rooted in safety culture, human factors, and future-readiness.

Greg brings over two decades of experience as a flight instructor and holds a master’s degree in aviation human factors. As the co-founder of the Pilot Institute, he has helped thousands of drone pilots—from career changers to public safety professionals—transition into successful roles through structured, comprehensive training programs. Known for his deep expertise in FAA regulations, safety management systems, and instructional design, Greg’s approach centers on transforming drone operators into aviation professionals who understand both the technical and human elements of flight.

In this episode, Greg outlines how public safety agencies can move beyond technical training to develop pilots who think and act like aviators. He emphasizes the importance of a proactive safety culture that encourages incident reporting without fear, the necessity of fatigue and stress management, and the crucial role of community knowledge sharing.

The conversation delves into the nuances of tactical BVLOS operations, advanced sensor training, and the challenges of integrating drone-generated data into existing public safety systems. Greg also explains the evolving regulatory environment and how agencies can align with both Part 107 and Certificate of Authorization (COA) frameworks.

This episode offers a forward-looking perspective for agencies striving to enhance the effectiveness, safety, and adaptability of their drone programs—arming leaders with the insights they need to navigate the intersection of technology, people, and policy.
What You'll Learn:

• How to build a proactive safety culture that encourages incident reporting without fear of punishment
• Why tactical BVLOS operations require specialized training and risk mitigation
• The “Aviator Mindset” and how it transforms basic operators into aviation professionals
• The importance of fatigue management and stress control in high-stakes drone operations
• How to incorporate advanced sensors and data into public safety workflows
• Why standardized training is critical—even as drone autonomy increases
• How to prepare for regulatory shifts and emerging technologies in the drone space
• The differences between operating under Part 107 and COA—and why it matters
• Strategies for continuous learning and leveraging shared knowledge across agencies
• How to ensure seamless integration of drone operations into broader public safety infrastructure

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Episode Highlights:

• [13:00] Building a Non-Punitive Safety Culture
  Greg introduces the concept of a Safety Management System (SMS) that encourages open reporting of incidents without fear of punishment. This approach is critical for public safety drone programs because it allows teams to learn from mistakes and prevent future accidents. The key is creating an environment where operators feel safe reporting issues anonymously, focusing on understanding what happened rather than who was responsible. Departments should implement formal reporting systems, like the NASA ASRS program, to collect and share safety data across the industry. Making incident reporting non-punitive and sharing lessons learned helps build institutional knowledge and creates a stronger safety culture.

• [26:45] Managing Fatigue in Drone Operations
  Greg emphasizes that fatigue management is especially critical in public safety drone operations where long incidents are common. Many operators falsely believe they can effectively function while tired, but research shows fatigue significantly impairs decision-making and reaction times. Departments need robust staffing plans and clear policies about maximum flight times and required rest periods. Setting strict operational limits and having backup pilots available helps maintain safety during extended missions. Regular training on fatigue awareness and its effects on performance is essential for all drone operators.
  
  
• [35:00] The "Aviator Mindset" Framework 
  Greg shares his philosophy of developing drone operators into true "aviators" rather than just pilots. This mindset shift involves understanding the entire aviation ecosystem, including other aircraft, airspace considerations, and potential risks. Proper training should go beyond basic drone control to develop complete situational awareness and professional judgment. The approach helps operators make better decisions and maintain safety in complex environments. This comprehensive understanding is especially critical as drone operations become more autonomous and integrated into the national airspace.
  
  
• [44:30] Evolution of BVLOS Operations 
  Greg discusses how beyond visual line of sight operations represent the next major advancement in public safety drone programs. While BVLOS capabilities will dramatically expand operational possibilities, they also introduce new risks that must be carefully managed through training and technology. Operators need enhanced situational awareness tools and a thorough understanding of aircraft detection and avoidance procedures. Departments should start preparing now by developing BVLOS training programs and safety protocols. The key is balancing the operational benefits with maintaining the highest safety standards.
  
  

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In Part 1 of this insightful DroneCast series, host Joe Kearns speaks with Greg Reverdiau, co-founder of the Pilot Institute and former program chair at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, to examine how drone training in public safety must evolve beyond foundational certification.

Greg brings decades of experience in both manned and unmanned aviation to the discussion, highlighting the critical need for standardized, scenario-based, and platform-specific training frameworks. He explains why relying solely on Part 107 certification leaves public safety drone teams underprepared for the demands of real-world operations.

The conversation covers the role of NIST standards in objectively measuring pilot proficiency, the importance of integrating Crew Resource Management (CRM) and Aeronautical Decision Making (ADM), and how to apply aviation best practices to improve safety and operational outcomes. Greg also discusses emerging state-level training standards that reflect the unique demands of different regions.

This first installment sets the stage for a deeper dive into program development and operational strategy in Part 2, offering foundational strategies for any agency looking to move from basic compliance to operational excellence.

What You'll Learn:

• Why Part 107 is only the starting point for public safety drone teams
• How to implement NIST standards to assess pilot proficiency
• The value of platform-specific training and regular skill checks
• How to apply CRM and ADM principles from manned aviation
• Why checklist protocols and emergency planning are essential
• How scenario-based training prepares teams for real-world missions
• What state-led training initiatives mean for regional drone programs
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [06:45] The Foundation of Drone Training
  Greg Reverdiau emphasizes that education must be the first priority for any public safety drone program, starting with comprehensive ground training before touching any equipment. He explains that proper initial training shapes how operators will function throughout their careers and helps prevent costly mistakes in the public eye. Public safety agencies face unique regulatory requirements and heightened scrutiny, making thorough training essential for managing liability and ensuring operational success. Departments should begin with ground training on regulations and COA requirements, then progress to hands-on flight instruction. Training programs should be structured to build both technical competency and regulatory compliance while fostering a culture of continuous learning.
  
  
• [12:09] Beyond Part 107
  Greg reveals that while the Part 107 certificate provides basic knowledge, it's just the theoretical foundation and doesn't ensure operational competency. He emphasizes that public safety agencies need role-specific training tailored to their unique missions, whether SWAT operations or firefighting. The NIST standards offer a standardized way to measure progress and proficiency across departments through repeatable exercises. Agencies should implement platform-specific training for each drone model they operate, similar to manned aviation checkout procedures. Regular proficiency checks should be conducted at least annually since drone operation skills can deteriorate quickly without consistent practice.
  
  
• [27:17] Scenario-Based Training Excellence
  Greg advocates for turning real-world incidents into training scenarios to prepare pilots for actual operations. This approach allows departments to learn from both successes and failures that have occurred in the field, creating more relevant and engaging training experiences. He stresses the importance of implementing proper checklist procedures, especially for complex drone systems that require assembly or special handling. Two-person verification systems help prevent accidents and ensure all safety protocols are followed correctly. This comprehensive approach to scenario training helps build both technical skills and operational judgment.
  
  
• [29:42] Measuring True Proficiency
  Greg explains that flight hours alone don't necessarily indicate pilot competency, as the quality of experience matters more than quantity. He draws parallels to manned aviation, where diverse operational experience is more valuable than simply accumulating basic flight time. The NIST standards provide objective benchmarks for measuring actual pilot proficiency through specific skill demonstrations. This standardized approach allows departments to evaluate pilots based on demonstrated capabilities rather than just time logged. The focus should be on achieving competency in required skills, recognizing that different pilots may progress at different rates.
  
  

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In this compelling episode of DroneCast, Joe Kearns III talks with Bobby Jason Mullinax—a seasoned law enforcement professional and current UAS Sales and Training Specialist at Frontier Precision Unmanned—about how drones are reshaping crash reconstruction and investigative processes in law enforcement.

Drawing from his extensive background as a crash reconstruction instructor at the South Carolina Criminal Justice Academy, Bobby Jason Mullinax discusses proven methods for integrating drones into public safety workflows. The conversation focuses on enhancing operational efficiency, improving evidentiary accuracy, and building internal and external support for drone initiatives.

You will learn how to apply the “DRONE” framework (Decide, Regulations, Operations, Needs, Evidence) to structure programs effectively, navigate internal resistance through education, and use measurable reference points to validate drone-captured data. Bobby Jason Mullinax also emphasizes the value of scenario-based training and the importance of transparency when engaging with the community and legal stakeholders.
This episode delivers expert guidance for law enforcement professionals aiming to advance their drone capabilities and strengthen investigative outcomes through thoughtful program design and execution.
What You'll Learn:

• How to implement the "DRONE" method for strategic and structured program development (Decide, Regulations, Operations, Needs, Evidence)
• Why relative accuracy is essential in crash reconstruction—and how to defend it in legal settings
• How to engage and educate prosecutors, command staff, and other key stakeholders
• The importance of using measurable reference objects to validate scene documentation
• How to build and scale effective scenario-based training for public safety drone teams
• Techniques for aligning drone operations with real-world investigative needs
• The role of interagency collaboration in expanding drone impact
• Why clear, transparent communication with the public fosters trust and long-term program support
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [08:41] Drone Advantages in Crash Scene Documentation
  The drone's resilience to environmental conditions provides a significant advantage over human investigators, particularly in extreme weather. In hot and humid conditions like South Carolina summers, drones maintain consistent performance while human investigators fatigue quickly. The drone captures everything in its field of view, regardless of whether investigators initially recognize its importance, preventing missed evidence due to human error. This comprehensive data collection allows for faster roadway reopening and improved investigator safety by keeping them out of active traffic lanes. The technology's endurance and thorough documentation capabilities make it an invaluable tool for crash reconstruction efforts.
  
  
• [19:38] The DRONE Method for Program Implementation
  Bobby J Mullinax introduces the DRONE framework for systematically implementing drone programs in law enforcement: Decide mission scope, Review regulations, Operations planning, Needs assessment, and Evidence management. This structured approach helps agencies avoid common pitfalls and ensures comprehensive program development. The framework starts with defining specific use cases like crash reconstruction or search and rescue, then addresses regulatory compliance and operational readiness. By following this method, departments can create clear implementation strategies grounded in agency objectives and stakeholder needs.
  
  
• [12:27] Getting Started with Drone Programs
  Agencies can begin using drone technology with straightforward equipment and simple workflows while still achieving significant gains in investigative efficiency and documentation quality. While advanced systems offer enhanced capabilities, even basic drone setups enable better scene capture and reduce reliance on traditional, more labor-intensive methods. Starting with core capabilities allows departments to focus on training, data quality, and integration into existing workflows, establishing a strong operational foundation before expanding further. This approach emphasizes performance, safety, and evidentiary value from the outset.
  
  
• [24:22] Building Public Trust Through Transparency
  Departments can address public concerns about drone usage through proactive transparency measures and clear communication about program objectives. Sharing flight logs and program details publicly helps build community trust and understanding. This approach has improved public relations for many agencies, turning potential resistance into support. Demonstrating the public safety benefits while maintaining operational transparency helps agencies gain community acceptance. The key is to implement transparency measures from the start rather than waiting for public concerns to arise.
  
  

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In this compelling DroneCast episode, Joe Kearns dives deep with Montgomery County’s Jason Cokinos to uncover the operational complexities of integrating drone technology within restricted airspace near Washington DC. Montgomery County Police Department, serving over 1.1 million residents, faces unique challenges without traditional air support, prompting them to innovate with drone-first response strategies.

Jason shares how they cultivated strong federal stakeholder relationships to secure approval and support, transitioned away from Chinese-made drones for security reasons, and developed scenario-based training to prepare operators for real-world situations. The conversation highlights how sustainable drone programs rely on reliable internet infrastructure, standardized safety checklists, and cross-agency collaboration between police and fire departments. Looking forward, Jason and Joe discuss emerging opportunities for tactical drone deliveries and the continued evolution of drone operations in public safety.

This episode provides valuable lessons for agencies operating in complex environments and those seeking to build resilient, scalable drone programs that prioritize safety, transparency, and operational excellence.
What You'll Learn:

• How to effectively navigate FAA and federal agency regulations to operate drones in restricted airspace
• Strategies for building and maintaining critical relationships with federal stakeholders
• Key considerations and frameworks for transitioning from foreign-made drones to trusted domestic alternatives
• Developing comprehensive, scenario-based training programs to ensure operational readiness
• Best practices for scaling drone programs from decentralized units to centralized operations
• The importance of checklist-driven protocols and safety procedures for sustainable program management
• Leveraging interagency partnerships between law enforcement and fire departments to enhance drone utility
• Insights into future advancements, such as tactical delivery applications in law enforcement drone use
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [00:01] Building Buy-In for Drone Programs
  Joe Kearns emphasizes the critical importance of approaching drone program development like a sales process, focusing on relationship-building and proving the concept. Law enforcement agencies often struggle with stakeholder buy-in due to a traditional "we know best" mindset. The key is to actively sell successes and demonstrate value to all stakeholders, from department leadership to community members. Establishing partnerships with fire departments and other agencies creates stronger community support and shared resources. Building these relationships leads to sustained program growth and increased operational capabilities.
  
  
• [07:28] Navigating Restricted Airspace Operations
  Operating in DC's flight restricted zone requires careful coordination with multiple federal agencies and strict adherence to special protocols. The Montgomery County program demonstrates how to build trust through transparency and regular communication with airspace stakeholders. They've achieved success by inviting inspections, sharing drone locations via DroneSense, and maintaining professional operations. Understanding when to pause operations during sensitive events like State of the Union addresses shows operational maturity. Their approach has enabled nearly 2,000 successful flights in restricted airspace while maintaining security requirements.
  
  
• [18:27] Developing Elite Drone Operators
  The program implements rigorous screening and training processes to identify and develop qualified drone operators. Candidates undergo stress tests, including simulated pursuit scenarios, to evaluate their decision-making and communication skills. Monthly training sessions combine classroom instruction with extensive hands-on flight practice using real-world scenarios. The program maintains small class sizes of 5-6 operators to ensure adequate flight time and personalized instruction. This comprehensive approach creates resilient, technically proficient operators who can handle both routine and high-stress situations effectively.
  
  
• [12:43] Strategic Infrastructure Planning
  For successful drone operations, establishing reliable infrastructure is crucial, particularly regarding internet connectivity and facility placement. Hard-wired Ethernet connections at county facilities provide the most reliable connection for drone operations. The program strategically locates drone docks at police and fire stations to maximize coverage of high-priority areas. Planning for 10-12 dock sites with multiple drones per location enables comprehensive coverage across dense urban areas. This infrastructure strategy allows for efficient scaling while maintaining operational reliability.
  
  

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In this compelling episode of DroneCast, host Joe Kearns talks with Jason Cokinos, a forward-thinking leader from the Montgomery County Police Department, about how drones are becoming an essential tool for law enforcement. This episode offers a deep dive into how Montgomery County went from having no aerial support to operating a fully integrated, life-saving drone program that’s changing how officers respond to emergencies.

Jason discusses how the department achieved an incredible 71% first-on-scene rate using their Drone as First Responder model, helping reduce response times from over 10 minutes to under two. He shares impactful stories—including a dramatic hostage situation in which drone surveillance prevented an unnecessary SWAT breach—showcasing how drones are not only improving response capabilities but also saving lives and minimizing risks.

Listeners will gain insight into how Montgomery County built community trust through transparency, integrated drone operations with Live 911, and leveraged drones to navigate staffing shortages. The episode also touches on how multi-agency collaboration, real-time aerial intelligence, and advanced drone strategies are supporting safer, smarter law enforcement tactics.

Whether you're a public safety professional, drone operator, or policymaker, this episode delivers actionable takeaways on how to implement a scalable, trusted drone program that truly serves the community. Montgomery County’s model offers a roadmap for departments nationwide looking to elevate their emergency response through drone technology.

What You'll Learn:

• How Montgomery County built an effective drone program from the ground up—without traditional air support
• The game-changing impact of Drone as First Responder (DFR) programs on response times and officer safety
• Strategies to gain community trust and maintain transparency while deploying drones in urban environments
• How real-time drone surveillance is being used to de-escalate high-risk situations and avoid the use of deadly force
• The benefits of integrating Live 911 data with drone operations to enhance situational awareness
• How agencies are using drones to overcome staffing shortages and maximize limited resources
• The critical role of multi-agency collaboration in scaling and sustaining drone programs
• Proven tactics for using drone footage to support successful prosecutions and improve tactical outcomes
  
  

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Episode Highlights:

• [07:10] Leveraging Drones in High-Stakes Tactical Operations
  Joe Kearns shares how drone technology prevented a potential deadly force situation during a hostage crisis by providing real-time visual intelligence. The drone positioned at the 14th floor of a high-rise allowed command to accurately assess that the suspect was only yelling on the phone with negotiators, rather than presenting an immediate threat. This critical insight prevented an unnecessary emergency breach by the SWAT team, demonstrating how aerial perspective can de-escalate potentially dangerous situations. The successful implementation led to widespread adoption, with SWAT teams now utilizing drones on every tactical operation. This integration has transformed their approach to high-risk scenarios, enhancing officer safety while enabling more informed decision-making.
  
  
• [10:03] Building Community Trust Through Transparency
  The Montgomery County PD developed a comprehensive approach to gaining public support for their drone program through extensive community engagement. They conducted town halls and listening tours to address concerns about surveillance and privacy, establishing clear boundaries and policies based on community input. Their commitment to transparency included restrictions on facial recognition, audio interception, and monitoring of peaceful protests. The department leverages DroneSense flight mapping and public dashboards to maintain complete operational transparency. This approach has led to increasing community comfort with drone operations, with some residents now requesting expanded services.
  
  
• [20:21] Revolutionizing Response Times with Live 911 Integration
  The department's drone program achieves rapid response by integrating with Live 911, allowing immediate deployment upon initial emergency calls. This system enables drone operators to respond before the traditional two-minute call processing time, often arriving on scene as incidents are still unfolding. Their rapid response capabilities have significantly increased criminal apprehensions in their coverage areas, as demonstrated by a successful assault case where drone footage led to a seven-year conviction. By maintaining a 71% first-on-scene rate and handling 15% of calls without requiring officer response, the program effectively addresses staffing shortages while improving service delivery.
  
  
• [16:05] Cross-Agency Collaboration Through Unified Drone Operations
  The police department consolidated separate agency drone programs into a unified operation, enhancing emergency response capabilities across multiple scenarios. This integration enables seamless support for various missions, from tornado damage assessment to fire department operations, using DroneSense's MagicLink feature to share real-time feeds with relevant stakeholders. The collaborative approach maximizes resource efficiency while providing specialized support for tactical operations, search and rescue missions, and routine patrol activities. Their success demonstrates how centralized drone operations can benefit multiple agencies while maintaining operational flexibility.
  
  

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• Revolutionizing Emergency Response: Chris Lester on Drones in EMS
• Navigating Drone Program Challenges: Lessons from George Mason University
• Navigating the Future of Counter-Drone Operations: Insights from Jack Venables
  
  

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In this episode of DroneCast, host Joe Kearns sits down with Amelia Frasure, Solutions Engineer at Skydio, the leading U.S. drone manufacturer and world leader in autonomous flight. Formerly the UAS Program Manager at the Greenville Police Department and an instructor at the Public Safety UAS Institute, Amelia shares her journey from law enforcement officer to drone program leader, highlighting how drones have evolved from recreational gadgets to essential public safety tools. She provides expert insights on building and managing effective UAS programs, covering key topics such as securing department support, training requirements, airspace management, and mission planning. Additionally, Amelia discusses the challenges of recruiting and retaining skilled drone operators, maintaining pilot proficiency, and adapting to the rapidly changing landscape of drone technology.
With extensive experience in law enforcement and drone operations, Amelia specializes in training agencies to implement successful UAS programs, particularly in search and rescue missions. She explores the future of public safety drone integration, highlighting the potential of Drone as First Responder (DFR) programs and strategies for smaller agencies to scale their operations. Throughout the conversation, she emphasizes the importance of securing funding, demonstrating program value through data collection, and fostering a strong community within the public safety drone sector. Her practical, hands-on approach and dedication to training continue to shape the future of emergency response drone programs nationwide.
What You'll Learn:

• How to launch a successful UAS program from the ground up in a law enforcement setting
• Why leadership buy-in is essential for long-term drone program sustainability
• Best practices for consistent, scenario-based training to maintain pilot proficiency
• How to collect and present data to justify program expansion and secure funding
• The value of specialized drone teams (e.g., search and rescue, tactical support) over generalized use
• Why drone piloting is considered a perishable skill—and how to stay mission-ready
• Strategies for integrating Drone as First Responder (DFR) programs, even in small agencies
• How to build internal support and trust for drone programs within police departments
• Tips for navigating FAA guidelines, airspace restrictions, and operational documentation
• The role of community engagement and public safety storytelling in program success

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Episode Highlights:

• [05:34] Establishing Strong Foundations for UAS Programs – A successful drone program requires more than just equipment. Amelia stresses the importance of understanding FAA guidelines, airspace regulations, and proper documentation, even for emergency operations. Clear training protocols and operational guidelines are essential from the start. Department-wide support, especially from leadership, ensures long-term success and credibility within both the department and the community.
  
  
• [11:55] Implementing Effective Training Standards – Consistent training is key to maintaining skilled drone operators. Amelia recommends monthly 5-8 hour sessions combining scenario-based exercises with regulation and technology updates. Since drone piloting is a perishable skill, regular practice is crucial. Proper documentation of training also ensures accountability and compliance, keeping operators prepared for real-world missions.
  
  
• [26:31] Data-Driven Program Evaluation – Demonstrating a drone program’s value requires strategic data collection. Amelia advises tracking response times, successful rescues, and instances where drones reduced officer risk. Presenting this data to leadership helps secure funding and support. Highlighting missed opportunities due to equipment gaps also strengthens the case for program expansion, proving its impact on safety and efficiency.

• [34:32] Future-Proofing UAS Programs – Specialization is key to advancing public safety drone programs. Amelia suggests creating dedicated teams for tactical missions, search and rescue, and patrol support instead of a general-use approach. This allows operators to refine expertise in key areas while ensuring full operational coverage. Structuring programs this way helps agencies scale effectively and adapt to evolving technology and mission needs.
  
  

Dronecast: Rethinking Public Safety, One Drone at a Time Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at: fame.so

Previous Guests include: Matt Rowland, Jason Burnside

Check out our 3 most downloaded episodes:

• Revolutionizing Emergency Response: Chris Lester on Drones in EMS
• Navigating Drone Program Challenges: Lessons from George Mason University
• Navigating the Future of Counter-Drone Operations: Insights from Jack Venables
  
  

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In this special year-in-review episode of DroneCast, hosts John McLeod and Joe Kearns take a moment to look back on an incredible year of growth—for both the podcast and the public safety drone community. What started as a niche platform for industry professionals has grown into a widely respected resource for tens of thousands of listeners across the country. Reflecting on the conversations, challenges, and breakthroughs that defined the past year, John and Joe explore how drone programs have evolved from siloed operations to essential, collaborative tools in emergency response.

One year of stories, shared struggles, and breakthrough insights from agencies worldwide shaping the future of drone-powered public safety.

The discussion touches on the increasing importance of inter-agency coordination, the shift in public perception of drones, and how programs are navigating complex regulatory landscapes to deliver faster, smarter, and safer results. They highlight key trends such as shared airspace management, real-time data sharing, and the role of public-private partnerships in scaling drone operations.

From comparing how the U.S. and U.K. are deploying drones to understanding how cities are integrating drones across departments, the episode underscores a growing movement: one where drones are no longer experimental, but mission-critical. With insights from a year’s worth of expert interviews, field-tested case studies, and policy discussions, this episode offers a thoughtful recap and a forward-looking perspective for anyone involved in the future of public safety drone programs.

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Episode Highlights:

• [05:24] Building a Public Safety Drone Program - Beyond the Basics
  Starting a public safety drone program requires understanding it's not a simple plug-and-play solution, but rather a complex tapestry of training, policy, compliance, and technology components. Agencies need to develop comprehensive frameworks that address everything from operational procedures to data management and regulatory requirements. The key challenge is making these sophisticated programs more accessible and turnkey for departments looking to implement drone technology. Success requires partnering with established programs and technology providers to create standardized approaches that maintain effectiveness while reducing complexity. Looking at successful implementations across the US shows that life-saving drone capabilities are most effectively deployed when programs build on proven frameworks rather than starting from scratch
  
  
• [10:03] Cross-Agency Collaboration Model for Drone Programs
  The evolution of drone programs has moved from individual department initiatives to collaborative, city-wide operations that maximize resources and impact. Modern drone programs succeed by breaking down silos between police, fire, EMS, and other municipal departments to create shared infrastructure and expertise. Cross-department collaboration allows agencies to pool budgets, expand pilot resources, and create more sustainable programs. The model extends to sharing drone capabilities with public utilities, GIS departments, and even commercial partners during disaster response. This collaborative approach creates more resilient programs while expanding the positive impact of drone technology across communities.
  
  
• [13:29] Building Community Through Shared Knowledge
  The drone industry's rapid evolution makes it critical for agencies to learn from each other rather than reinventing solutions independently. Successful programs actively participate in knowledge sharing networks, learning from others' experiences in training, policy development, and technology implementation. The community approach helps agencies avoid common pitfalls while accelerating their program development through proven best practices. Creating these information sharing networks has become a cornerstone of program success, allowing agencies to build on collective experience. This collaborative mindset extends to technology platforms, with interoperability becoming increasingly important for program efficiency and effectiveness.
  
  

Dronecast: Rethinking Public Safety, One Drone at a Time Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at: fame.so

Previous Guests include: Matt Rowland, Jason Burnside

Check out our 3 most downloaded episodes:

• Revolutionizing Emergency Response: Chris Lester on Drones in EMS
• Navigating Drone Program Challenges: Lessons from George Mason University
• Navigating the Future of Counter-Drone Operations: Insights from Jack Venables
  
  

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In this episode of DroneCast, host Joe Kearns sits down with Charles Werner, Aviation Technology Adviser for the Virginia Department of Aviation, Director of Drone Responders, and an experienced storm chaser. A seasoned leader with extensive expertise in emergency services, unmanned aerial systems, and severe weather response, Werner shares firsthand insights into the revolutionary FAA regulatory changes that are accelerating public safety drone deployments. He explains how the new DFR (Drone as First Responder) COA process has drastically reduced approval timelines from 11 months to just one week, reshaping the speed and efficiency of public safety operations. Werner also discusses the simplified four-document submission process, the transition from COA to COWA (Certificate of Waiver and Authorization), and the operational impacts of allowing departments to fly drones at 200 feet using only ADS-B receivers.

The conversation delves into the evolution of public safety drones from "toys" to mission-critical tools, with drones now resolving up to 25% of calls before ground units even arrive. Werner provides a glimpse into the future of drone operations, exploring advancements such as one-to-many aircraft control, AI-driven search capabilities, and the new opportunities created by the Part 107 DFR waiver for volunteer and non-governmental organizations. Drawing on his unique perspective as both a public safety leader and a storm chaser, Werner underscores the critical role drones play in disaster response and emergency management. With a focus on practical implementation strategies, regulatory navigation, and operational innovation, his expertise offers invaluable guidance for agencies looking to build, enhance, or expand their drone programs. Werner's leadership at Drone Responders and ongoing collaboration with the FAA continue to drive the advancement of drone technology in public safety worldwide.

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Episode Highlights:

• [07:34] Breakthrough in DFR COA Process - The FAA has dramatically streamlined the drone authorization process, reducing approval times from 11 months to just one week through a simplified four-document submission system. This change empowers public safety agencies to more quickly implement drone programs by eliminating lengthy paperwork and complex technical evaluations. The new process allows agencies to operate at 200 feet with basic ADS-B equipment or at 400 feet with detect-and-avoid technology, making drone deployment more accessible and cost-effective. Departments can now get operations approved by submitting a brief concept of operations, questionnaire responses, a public safety organization letter, and a public declaration letter. The streamlined process has already led to a surge in applications, with the FAA receiving over 20 DFR applications in a single day after the announcement.
  
  
• [13:36] Real-World Impact of DFR Programs - Drone as First Responder programs are proving to be vital force multipliers, with 25% of deployments resolving situations before ground units arrive on scene. The technology provides crucial situational awareness and real-time video streaming that helps de-escalate potentially dangerous situations and improve operational decision-making. A powerful example comes from Chula Vista, where drone footage helped locate and rescue a person from a burning vehicle on I-5 with seconds to spare. The streamlined regulations are enabling more departments to implement these life-saving programs without being deterred by lengthy approval processes. This transformation is particularly valuable for departments facing staffing shortages, as it allows them to operate more efficiently with existing resources.
  
  
• [33:26] Future of Drone Technology in Public Safety - The next evolution in public safety drone operations will enable single operators to control multiple aircraft simultaneously, dramatically expanding coverage capabilities. Emerging swarm technology combined with artificial intelligence will enhance search and rescue operations by automatically identifying anomalies and marking locations on maps. The integration of AI will reduce operator workload by handling routine monitoring tasks while highlighting areas needing attention. Part 107 DFR waivers now extend these capabilities to non-governmental organizations like volunteer fire departments and search and rescue teams. These advancements represent a fundamental shift from reactive to proactive emergency response operations.
  
  

Dronecast: Rethinking Public Safety, One Drone at a Time Podcast is handcrafted by our friends over at: fame.so

Previous Guests include: Matt Rowland, Jason Burnside

Check out our 3 most downloaded episodes:

• Revolutionizing Emergency Response: Chris Lester on Drones in EMS
• Navigating Drone Program Challenges: Lessons from George Mason University
• Navigating the Future of Counter-Drone Operations: Insights from Jack Venables
  
  

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