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E149: Mass Incarceration Is a Myth — The Shocking Truth EXPOSED


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An in-depth discussion with legal scholar Jeffrey Seaman debunking popular myths about mass incarceration, examining crime clearance rates, sentencing trends, and exploring justice-focused reforms.

Guest bio:
Jeffrey Seaman is a Levy Scholar at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, researcher, and co-author of Confronting Failures of Justice. His work focuses on criminal justice policy, sentencing reform, and aligning the system with community standards of justice.

Topics discussed:

  • Myths vs. facts about U.S. incarceration rates
  • The small role of low-level drug offenders in prison populations
  • Declining crime clearance rates and their public safety impact
  • Sentencing trends since the 1960s and public opinion on appropriate punishment
  • Repeat offenders, leniency, and juvenile justice failures
  • International comparisons and moral credibility of the law
  • Potential of “electronic prison” as a cost-effective alternative to incarceration
  • Balancing defendants’ rights with victims’ rights
  • Political shifts in crime policy and public opinion
  • Historical parallels with Prohibition and lessons for modern reform

Three best quotes:

  • “The average offender doesn’t feel deterred until they perceive a 30% chance of being caught—and for most crimes, we’re nowhere near that.”
  • “Most people in prison today have had five, ten, even fifteen prior chances; the idea that they’re first-time offenders is a myth.”
  • “If the law gets out of sync with what the community believes is just, you lose moral credibility—and with it, compliance, cooperation, and safety.”

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