April 13, 2025

e18e: Ecosystem Performance (with James Garbutt)

1 hour 2 minutes

In this episode of DejaVue, Alex sits down with James Garbutt, open source maintainer and lead of the e18e initiative. James shares his journey from writing web scrapers as a teenager to maintaining critical JavaScript libraries like parse5 or Chokidar and eventually co-creating the ecosystem performance initiative.

The conversation is then all around e18e, which aims to improve performance across the JavaScript ecosystem through three pillars:

Cleaning up dependency trees
Speeding up popular packages
Creating lighter alternatives to bloated libraries

James explains how the community-driven approach has produced impressive results all across the web development landscape.

Learn about real-world examples of performance improvements, including replacement packages like tinyglobby and nano-staged, and discover how to contribute to e18e even if you're new to open source. James shares also insights on balancing between backward compatibility and performance, bundling dependencies, and also shares future plans for e18e in 2025.

Enjoy the episode!

Our Guest

James "43081j" Garbutt

e18e
Website
Bluesky

Chapters

(00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue

(00:34) - Which libraries do you maintain?

(02:10) - How did you get into programming?

(04:57) - What lead you to Vue.js

(06:40) - Not ending up in a framework bubble

(09:41) - Meta frameworks converging

(11:28) - What is e18e?

(15:40) - The purpose of e18e

(18:27) - How to participate?

(20:38) - Are there prerequisites?

(23:59) - Ripple effects from e18e improving the ecosystem

(26:36) - Helping other projects migrate

(30:27) - Considering backwards compatibility

(35:50) - Example for replacement packages

(37:56) - tinyglobby

(40:40) - Edge cases and modular architecture

(43:49) - Performance pattern and anti pattern

(45:32) - Bundling dependencies

(50:48) - What is planned for e18e in 2025?

(56:39) - How do you lead and structure the e18e initiative?

(01:01:42) - Anything else we didn't cover?

(01:02:21) - Wrapping up

Links and Resources

Parse5
Doom in TypeScript
Flappy Bird in TS
LitElement
Speeding up the ecosystem blog post series by Marvin Hagemeister
e18e issue overview
e18e Discord
minizlib install size improvements
Storybook dependency tree reduction
e18e module replacement repository
Anthony Fu's node_modules inspector
Publint by Bjorn Lu
Umbrella CLI
nano-staged (instead of lint-staged)
npm-run-all2
eslint-import-plugin-x (instead of eslint-plugin-import)
tinyglobby (instead of any other glob lib like globby/fast-glob)
fdir
Vite Devtools announcement
Bundling dependencies (and when not to do it)
A lighter Nuxt CLI

Your Hosts

Alexander Lichter

Bluesky
YouTube
Website

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