DejaVue

By Alexander Lichter & Michael ThiessenTechnology Education

DejaVue episodes

January 23Yet Another Episode?
It was silent for a while on the DejaVue front. Now, Alex and Michael get back to it for.. yet another episode?
Hear more about why it took so long and what the future plans of the podcast are.
Enjoy the Episode!

Chapters

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Alexander Lichter

Bluesky
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Michael Thiessen

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4 min
July 10, 2025Was Nuxt just sold?! (with Daniel Roe and Sébastien Chopin)
In this special episode of DejaVue, Alexander and Michael are joined by Daniel Roe and Sébastien Chopin to discuss the recent acquisition of NuxtLabs by Vercel. Questions like "Was Nuxt just sold", "How much influence has Vercel", and "What is Vercel excepting from the deal" are answered.
If you wonder what impact the deal has on Nuxt, you as a user and developer, as well as the open-source community, you should tune in!
Enjoy the Episode!
Our Guests
Daniel Roe
Bluesky
Web
YouTube
Twitch
Sébastien Chopin
NuxtLabs
Nuxt
Personal Website
Bluesky

Chapters

Links and Resources

Announcement on NuxtLabs.com
Skew Protection Nitro Issue
Daniel Roe's Reddit AMA
The Future of Nuxt GitHub Discussion
Pooya's Nitro Announcement

Your Hosts

Alexander Lichter

Bluesky
YouTube
Website

Michael Thiessen

Twitter
YouTube
Website

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31 min
July 08, 2025Vite 7 is out
👉 Don't forget to join ViteConf on October 9-10 in Amsterdam
In this episode of DejaVue, Michael and Alexander look into the major release of Vite 7, including the move to ESM-only, dropping Node 18 support, and adopting the Baseline browser target.
They also discuss the evolving Environment API, upcoming changes in Rolldown-Vite, new Vite dev tools, and more.
Enjoy the Episode!
Chapters

(00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
(00:48) - Vite 7 without breaking changes
(01:53) - Node Version dropped
(03:13) - ESM-only and Module Formats
(09:04) - What does ECMA and GIF mean?
(10:51) - Browser target to Baseline Wide Available
(14:31) - Environment API
(16:14) - Rolldown-Vite
(17:39) - Cleaning up APIs
(18:11) - Vite Dev Tools
(21:41) - ViteConf
(22:57) - Vite Plugin Vue Beta
(25:04) - Wrapping Up
Links and Resources
Vite Announcement post
require(esm) in Node
tsdown
obuild
fdir PR
DejaVue #E058 - The History of Nuxt and NuxtLabs (with Sébastien Chopin)
DejaVue #E051 - Vite Inside Out (with Matias "Patak" Capeletto)
Vite DevTools Preview (screenshot)
Vite Plugin Vue 6.0 (not beta anymore)

Your Hosts

Alexander Lichter

Bluesky
YouTube
Website

Michael Thiessen

Twitter
YouTube
Website

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26 min
June 15, 2025Double Trouble: The Nuxt Surprise (with Daniel Roe)
Big news in the Nuxt ecosystem. While you out there already know what has been announced - some of us didn't. Luckily, Daniel Roe, Head of the Nuxt team joins this DejaVue episode and discusses the highly anticipated "double trouble": Not one, but two major versions for Nuxt are on the horizon.
After over a year of delays, Daniel reveals the strategic decision to release Nuxt 4 in less than a month from now, followed by Nuxt 5 which will include the long-awaited Nitro 3 integration and significant Vite improvements.
The episode covers the smooth migration experience early adopters reported already, the philosophy behind careful breaking changes, and how the team plans to maintain a yearly major release cycle moving forward.
Enjoy the Episode!
Our Guest
Daniel Roe
Bluesky
Web
YouTube
Twitch
Chapters

(00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
(01:19) - The big topic
(02:41) - What are the release plans?
(06:47) - Two major versions soon?
(09:28) - Early adopters of compatibilityVersion 4
(11:56) - Depending on other dependencies and versions bumps
(13:45) - Is bumping the minimum Node version a breaking change?
(16:33) - A Quick Nitro TL;DR
(20:46) - Nitro in other frameworks
(25:20) - Why Nuxt 4 now?
(28:41) - LTS support Plans
(29:53) - Nuxt Bridge
(31:46) - Release Dates and skipping Nuxt 4 altogether
(33:14) - We need Release names!
(35:53) - Release Dates for Nuxt 4 and 5
(40:00) - Wrapping Up
Links and Resources

Roadmap to v4 blog post
DejaVue #E043 - The Year in ReVue (with Daniel Roe)
DejaVue #E044 - Our Predictions for Vue and Nuxt in 2025 (with Daniel Roe)
DejaVue #E013 - The Road to Nuxt 4 (with Daniel Roe)
Daniel's PR migrating Elk
Nuxt 4 Migration Guide
DejaVue #E003 - Nitro: The Next Generation Server Toolkit
Srvx
Michael's Nuxt Release Date Comic
Alex' Nuxt 4/5 video

Your Hosts

Alexander Lichter

Bluesky
YouTube
Website

Michael Thiessen

Twitter
YouTube
Website

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42 min
June 05, 2025The History of Nuxt and NuxtLabs (with Sébastien Chopin)
Join Alex and Michael with special guest Sébastien Chopin, creator of Nuxt.js and CEO of NuxtLabs, to learn more about the origins and evolution of the Vue-based meta framework. Sébastien shares valuable lessons from open source, how he came to create Nuxt.js in the first place and which challenges came with it.
In the second part of the episode, they cover Sébastien's company NuxtLabs - from its inception over to taking Venture Capital and products, such as NuxtHub or Nuxt UI Pro.
Eventually, the NuxtLabs CEO also outlines how they handle sponsorships of maintainers, and what the future holds for Nuxt and NuxtLabs.
Enjoy the Episode!

Our Guest
Sébastien Chopin
NuxtLabs
Nuxt
Personal Website
Bluesky

Chapters

(00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
(01:16) - How did you get into programming?
(04:45) - The birth of Nuxt.js
(07:43) - The Elevator Pitch for Nuxt
(10:16) - When not to use Nuxt
(11:20) - Nuxt as Multi Bundler Framework
(12:37) - How does Nuxt scale (in Enterprise)?
(16:04) - Lessons Learned from building Nuxt
(19:47) - How to compare frameworks fairly?
(23:20) - Frameworks converging
(24:22) - Nuxt.js supporting React?
(29:06) - The creation of NuxtLabs
(33:50) - Products of NuxtLabs
(37:11) - Why going all in on Cloudflare for NuxtHub
(41:50) - Vite Environment API
(45:34) - The difference between Nuxt and NuxtLabs
(51:56) - Is Nuxt a VC-backed framework?
(53:51) - Sponsoring Core Maintainers
(56:07) - Freemium in Nuxt
(57:06) - Sneak Peek of the NuxtLabs Roadmap
(59:51) - Where can people find you?
Links and Resources

Nuxt
Intro to Nuxt Layers
Nitro
Reactivue
inclusion-vapor
DejaVue #E044 - Our Predictions for Vue and Nuxt in 2025 (with Daniel Roe)
Volta
Nuxt UI *
Nuxt Governance
Nuxt Studio
NuxtHub
Laravel Vapor
Cloudflare
DejaVue #E051 - Vite Inside Out (with Matias "Patak" Capeletto)
Strapi

Your Hosts

Michael Thiessen

Twitter
YouTube
Website

Alexander Lichter

Bluesky
YouTube
Website

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1 hr 2 min
May 15, 2025Motion for Vue (with Matt Perry)
In this episode of DejaVue, Michael and Alex chat with Matt Perry, the creator of Motion (formerly Framer Motion), about animations in web development.
Matt talks about his journey from designing gaming magazines as a kid to becoming a full-time developer, sharing his experiences with ActionScript, jQuery, and how Motion was born. They discuss how simple and powerful Motion's API is, its ability to work with different frameworks, and how it stacks up against other animation libraries like GSAP and AnimeJS.

But the episode also covers a lot of open source aspects, such as the challenges of keeping Motion going!
Matt explains how Motion+ funds the development of Motion with one-time payments and time-gated (then publicly available) content, to support the project.

Enjoy the episode!

Our Guest
Matt Perry
Motion
Personal Website
Bluesky
Twitter
Chapters

(00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
(01:20) - How did you get into programming?
(05:18) - Adobe ActionScript
(08:33) - What is Motion (fka. Framer Motion)?
(12:21) - APIs and Limitations
(16:54) - Prerequisites for using Tools
(24:26) - The jQuery of web animations
(26:37) - The birth of Motion
(31:02) - Motion for Vue
(32:40) - Other "Motion for ..." adaptations?
(34:36) - Funding the project - Motion+
(40:00) - One-time Payment and Time-gating
(50:39) - Thoughts on other ways of monetizing Motion
(52:43) - Can AI replace animation libraries?
(57:41) - The difference between Motion and other libraries
(01:01:04) - Closing Thoughts
Links and Resources

ActionScript
ECMAScript
Popmotion
Motion
Motion Vue
Rick (Motion Vue maintainer)
Framer
DejaVue #054 - Open Source Sustainability (with Daniel Roe, Chad Whitacre & Rijk van Zanten)
GSAP
AnimeJS

Your Hosts

Michael Thiessen

Twitter
YouTube
Website

Alexander Lichter

Bluesky
YouTube
Website

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1 hr 4 min
April 22, 2025Snapshot Testing and Beyond (with The Jared Wilcurt)
In this episode of DejaVue, Alex and Michael are joined by Jared Wilcurt, UI architect and open source contributor, to get knee-deep into the world of testing in Vue.js, especially Snapshot Testing.

Jared shares his journey from React frustration to Vue enthusiasm, and explains how he identified gaps in Vue's testing ecosystem that led to the creation of his Vue 3 Snapshot Serializer library.
No matter if you are a testing novice, wondering why you should bother with tests at all, or an experienced developer looking to improve your snapshot testing workflow, this episode got something for you - from reducing test noise, improving readability, and gaining confidence in your Vue applications and components.

Discover how snapshot testing complements traditional assertion-based tests and why it might be the missing piece in your testing strategy.

Enjoy the episode!

Our Guest
The Jared Wilcurt
Vue 3 Snapshot Serializer
Website
Bluesky
Twitter
Chapters

(00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
(00:20) - How did you get into Programming?
(05:20) - Learning Vue
(09:46) - Finding gaps in the ecosystem
(12:40) - What is unit testing?
(21:40) - Testing in the frontend
(25:31) - Snapshot Testing
(29:45) - Snapshot Updating Fatigue
(36:09) - Responsibilities & ROI of a Snapshot Test
(42:46) - Using the Snapshot Serializer
(46:40) - Snapshot vs. Visual Regression Testing
(52:57) - A good tip from Daniel Roe
(53:50) - Further Noise Reduction
(01:01:22) - A tighter integration?
(01:05:11) - Wrapping up
Links and Resources

Riot JS
Vue Indy Meetup
Vue Doxen
Old Jest Snapshot Serializer
Vue Test Utils
Testing Library Vue
Playwright
Vue 3 Snapshot Serializer
DejaVue #E043 - The Year in ReVue (with Daniel Roe)

Your Hosts

Michael Thiessen

Twitter
YouTube
Website

Alexander Lichter

Bluesky
YouTube
Website

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1 hr 7 min
April 13, 2025e18e: Ecosystem Performance (with James Garbutt)
In this episode of DejaVue, Alex sits down with James Garbutt, open source maintainer and lead of the e18e initiative. James shares his journey from writing web scrapers as a teenager to maintaining critical JavaScript libraries like parse5 or Chokidar and eventually co-creating the ecosystem performance initiative.

The conversation is then all around e18e, which aims to improve performance across the JavaScript ecosystem through three pillars:
Cleaning up dependency trees
Speeding up popular packages
Creating lighter alternatives to bloated libraries

James explains how the community-driven approach has produced impressive results all across the web development landscape.

Learn about real-world examples of performance improvements, including replacement packages like tinyglobby and nano-staged, and discover how to contribute to e18e even if you're new to open source. James shares also insights on balancing between backward compatibility and performance, bundling dependencies, and also shares future plans for e18e in 2025.

Enjoy the episode!

Our Guest
James "43081j" Garbutt
e18e
Website
Bluesky
Chapters

(00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
(00:34) - Which libraries do you maintain?
(02:10) - How did you get into programming?
(04:57) - What lead you to Vue.js
(06:40) - Not ending up in a framework bubble
(09:41) - Meta frameworks converging
(11:28) - What is e18e?
(15:40) - The purpose of e18e
(18:27) - How to participate?
(20:38) - Are there prerequisites?
(23:59) - Ripple effects from e18e improving the ecosystem
(26:36) - Helping other projects migrate
(30:27) - Considering backwards compatibility
(35:50) - Example for replacement packages
(37:56) - tinyglobby
(40:40) - Edge cases and modular architecture
(43:49) - Performance pattern and anti pattern
(45:32) - Bundling dependencies
(50:48) - What is planned for e18e in 2025?
(56:39) - How do you lead and structure the e18e initiative?
(01:01:42) - Anything else we didn't cover?
(01:02:21) - Wrapping up
Links and Resources

Parse5
Doom in TypeScript
Flappy Bird in TS
LitElement
Speeding up the ecosystem blog post series by Marvin Hagemeister
e18e issue overview
e18e Discord
minizlib install size improvements
Storybook dependency tree reduction
e18e module replacement repository
Anthony Fu's node_modules inspector
Publint by Bjorn Lu
Umbrella CLI
nano-staged (instead of lint-staged)
npm-run-all2
eslint-import-plugin-x (instead of eslint-plugin-import)
tinyglobby (instead of any other glob lib like globby/fast-glob)
fdir
Vite Devtools announcement
Bundling dependencies (and when not to do it)
A lighter Nuxt CLI

Your Hosts

Alexander Lichter

Bluesky
YouTube
Website

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1 hr 3 min
April 06, 2025Open Source Sustainability (with Daniel Roe, Chad Whitacre & Rijk van Zanten)
Join hosts Michael Thiessen and Alexander Lichter for a special episode of DejaVue - a fascinating panel discussion on open source sustainability with three open source enthusiasts:
Daniel Roe (Nuxt Team Lead),
Chad Whitacre (Head of Open Source at Sentry), and
Rijk van Zanten (CTO and co-founder of Directus).

The panelists dive deep into what sustainability truly means in open source and get deep into the weeds of different licensing models, debating whether open source functions as a gift economy, and discuss the challenges of project governance.

The panel also discusses important questions about leadership structures in open source projects, the role of companies in funding development, and practical ways everyone can contribute to making the ecosystem more sustainable - whether financially or through other meaningful contributions.

Enjoy the episode!

Our Guests
Daniel Roe - Nuxt Team Lead
Bluesky
Web
Chad Whitacre - Head of Open Source at Sentry
Bluesky
Twitter
Web

Rijk van Zanten - CTO and co-founder of Directus
Bluesky
Twitter
Web

Chapters

(00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
(04:06) - What is Open Source Sustainability
(12:51) - Open Source as a gift economy
(19:20) - The Projects and their Licenses
(29:50) - Sentry is not Open Source
(34:53) - Open Source Definition and OSI
(37:09) - Why people adopt open source software?
(39:44) - Open Source Governance
(47:50) - Stewarding an open source team
(52:22) - Open Source Leadership
(55:40) - What can YOU do to help open source?
Links and Resources

Mastering Nuxt*
xkcd on standards
Jacob Kaplan-Moss: Paying Maintainers is Good
Sentry
Directus
Nuxt
BSL
Fair Source
MIT
AGPL
OSI
BDFL
Nuxt Governance
Open Source Steward in the CRA
Daniel Roe: Contributing to Nuxt
Open Source Pledge

Your Hosts

Alexander Lichter

Bluesky
YouTube
Website

Michael Thiessen

Twitter
YouTube
Website

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1 hr 1 min
March 28, 2025New Releases: Nuxt 3.16 and Nuxt UI 3
Nuxt 3.16 dropped and it's packed with goodies! In this episode, Alex and Michael break down all the cool stuff in this release that'll make your Nuxt development smoother.

They dive into the new command to initialize a Nuxt application, the performance-game-changing lazy hydration support that'll boost your app's performance, and named layer aliases (that you've been waiting for). Plus, huge performance improvements, better error messages with Nitro 2.11 and debugging improvements that'll save you hours of head-scratching.

But wait, there's more! The duo also geeks out over Nuxt UI v3, which (surprise!) now works with plain Vue.js too - not just Nuxt. Learn how it leverages Tailwind v4, introduces a sweet CSS variables-based design system, and builds on Reka UI primitives for better accessibility. And somehow, a discount code for Nuxt UI Pro* *cough DEJAVUE cough* gets snuck in there too!

Enjoy the episode!

Chapters

(00:00) - Intro
(00:54) - Nuxt 3.16 Feature Overview
(01:27) - A new way to initialize Nuxt projects
(07:06) - Lazy Hydration in Nuxt
(16:05) - Named Layer Aliases
(17:45) - Lines of Code vs. Complexity
(20:16) - What a new Nitro minor brings to the table
(21:33) - Fine-grained debugging options
(23:25) - Nuxt Devtools v2
(25:47) - Faster module resolution (and faster boot up time)
(27:39) - Using OXC to speed up component parsing
(28:58) - Benchmark performance improvements
(31:43) - Nuxt UI v3
(40:58) - Sneak peek at next weeks episode 👀
(41:17) - Suggest a new slogan!
Links and Resources

Mastering Nuxt is out now!*
Nuxt UI*
Get 20% OFF Nuxt UI PRO* with discount code DEJAVUE

Nuxt 3.16 blog post
Vue implementing Lazy Hydration
Nuxt Lazy Hydration PR
Lazy Hydration in-depth
More about Nuxt Layers
Revamping data fetching in Nuxt PR
Nitro 2.11
Youch
Harlan's PR to speed up module resolution
OXC PR
Rolldown-vite
CodSpeed
Tailwind Variants

Your Hosts

Alexander Lichter

Bluesky
YouTube
Website

Michael Thiessen

Twitter
YouTube
Website

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43 min

About DejaVue

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Welcome to DejaVue, the Vue podcast you didn't know you needed until now! Join Michael Thiessen and Alexander Lichter on a thrilling journey through the world of Vue and Nuxt.