The VBAC Facts® Podcast with Jen Kamel

E2 Coerced Cesareans Struck Down Part 2: The Woman Behind Israel’s Landmark Ruling Speaks Out: "Esther" & Tamir Turgal


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We continue "Esther's" harrowing story of avoiding a court ordered cesarean. "Esther" navigates an unassisted birth after four prior cesareans amidst intense scrutiny from social and emergency services. Follow her journey through legal battles, hiding from authorities, and ultimately obtaining a landmark ruling from the Israeli Supreme Court that upholds the right to decline a cesarean. Discover the intricate ethical and legal dilemmas surrounding birth autonomy and the resilience required to make one's own medical decisions.

00:00 Welcome Back for Part 2

00:56 Seeking Refuge and Medical Concerns

02:04 Engaging with Social Services

02:42 "They Are Asking for a Psychiatric Evaluation"

05:59 Legal Battle and Court Hearings

13:57 Physician Testifies: "Suicide Mission"

17:40 What Jen Would Tell the Court

21:40 Tracking Her Through Her Phone

23:56 Hiding from Authorities

25:21 A Glimmer of Safety

26:10 Navigating Work and Legal Challenges

26:53 Courtroom Battles and Contractions

28:36 Police Encounters and Relocation

32:22 The Birth Amidst Chaos

36:36 No Appearance, No Compensation

38:39 Creating Legal Precedents and Reflections

40:48 The Aftermath and Moving Forward

41:47 Decision Making With Higher Clinical Risk

42:54 How She Feels About the Decision

43:54 Deciding to Have Unassisted Births

45:59 Why Women Go "Underground" to Birth

47:28 Feelings about Legal Precedent

48:24 Conviction to Move Forward

51:40 Conclusion

  • The Israeli Supreme Court Ruling, dated August 25, 2024
  • Is VBAC illegal? Is homebirth illegal? - VBAC Facts® Article
  • Vaginal birth after two cesareans (VBA2C): An overview of the evidence - VBAC Facts® Article
  • Vaginal birth after three or more cesareans (VBA3C/VBAMC): An overview of the evidence - VBAC Facts® Article
  • Single vs Double Layer Suturing: Is One Method Superior? - VBAC Facts® Continuing Education Training
  • The Truth About VBA2C: Risk, Rates, & Outcomes - VBAC Facts® Continuing Education Training
  • The Limited Evidence on VBA3+C: Decision Making in the Midst of Uncertainty - VBAC Facts® Continuing Education Training

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