Licia Popernack was told that she had a curved tailbone and would never give birth vaginally.

And after two cesareans, both after reaching 10 centimeters and pushing for hours, could that be true? Plus, she was only five feet and one inch tall...

Licia shares with us the challenges she faced on her journey to a victorious hospital VBA2C from friends and family who wondered why this was so important to her to skepticism from healthcare providers and her own fears.

She reflects upon her choices during her first and second pregnancies and labors, including why she didn't, and then did, get an epidural as well as reveals how she processed her cesareans.

She recounts how her third labor was different than her first two - including her nurse who helped her into various positions that facilitated her VBA2C - showing that if you just change one thing, you can have a totally different outcome.

With her two prior FTP cesareans, the VBAC calculator would have predicted very low odds, but Licia pursued her dream of a vaginal birth proving that it is possible!

00:00 Meet Licia Popernack!

03:44 Why She Wanted to Share Her Story

08:02 What Her Doctor Said About Her VBAC Odds

08:52 Her First Pregnancy

10:53 Biggest Regret: "But That Locked Her In..."

12:01 Pushed For Four Hours, Then Cesarean

14:32 Her Doctor Had An Early Flight

15:24 Postpartum: "I Felt Really Isolated"

18:05 What Would Have Felt Supportive and Validating to Her

20:49 Download Our Free Resources

21:43 What Was She Told About VBAC?

23:00 Her Second Pregnancy

24:43 Changed Providers at 34 Weeks!

27:54 "Why Don't You Just Schedule Another Cesarean?"

31:07 Her Second Labor: "She Said I Could Never Have a Vaginal Birth"

32:25 Her Decision To Get An Epidural

34:12 Vacuum, FTP, Second Cesarean, and NICU

35:58 Processing Her Planned VBAC and Second Cesarean

39:08 Pregnant After Two Cesareans, Now What?

42:21 How Her Third Labor Was Different Than The First Two

48:23 " Made Me Get Into Positions That Weren't Comfortable For Me"

51:30 Did Anyone Mention Placenta Accreta?

52:39 Her VBA1C and VBA2C Advice

55:41 What She Would Have Done Differently

58:54 "Changed Me To Be More Accepting Of Things"

59:54 Advice: "But My Doctor Won't Let Me Plan a VBAC"

01:00:55 "There's Not One Thing That's Right For Everyone"

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