Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David Garrow discusses the making of Barack Obama, his complex transformation, and the enduring impact of his presidency.

Guest bio: David Garrow is a Pulitzer Prize-winning historian and biographer best known for Bearing the Cross, his biography of Martin Luther King Jr., and Rising Star: The Making of Barack Obama, a deeply researched, 1,000-page account of Obama’s early life and political ascent.

Discussed topics:

• The writing and research process behind Rising Star
• Obama’s transformation from community organizer to calculated political figure
• His early relationships, ambitions, and identity struggles
• Post-presidency lifestyle and criticism from former supporters
• Comparisons between Obama and other presidents, including Carter and Biden
• The challenges of being a public figure in modern politics

Three best quotes:

• "I think who they are now bears almost no resemblance to who they were in 2003."
• "The fundamental lesson of Rising Star is that when someone decides they want to be a politician, that’s a very different choice than being Martin Luther King."
• "Carter’s post-presidency was a more notable human achievement than what he did as president—and Barack could’ve done the same."

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