Get ready for a fascinating deep dive into one of the biggest questions in astrobiology: How common are biological extraterrestrial intelligences in the Milky Way? Host Simon Steel, Deputy Director of the Carl Sagan Center for Research, is joined by Manuel Scherf and Helmut Lammer (Space Research Institute, Austrian Academy of Sciences) to explore new research that challenges long-held assumptions about "Earth-like" planets and what it really takes for a world to support complex life. Recent work from Scherf, Lammer, and colleagues revisits the idea of Eta-Earth — the number of truly Earth-like habitats in the Galaxy. Their models extend far beyond the basic "habitable zone" and incorporate a suite of filters, including stable atmospheres, oxygen-rich conditions, plate tectonics, subaerial land, and long-term planetary evolution. These filters significantly reduce the number of planets that could potentially host complex or technological life. The study finds that even under generous assumptions, the Milky Way may host at most 60,000 to 250,000 Earth-like habitats — and the number that actually evolve intelligent life could be far smaller. The result? A serious rethink of how rare (or precious) intelligent life might be. Join us as we explore what this means for SETI strategies, exoplanet surveys, and our own cosmic significance. It's a conversation that blends astrophysics, planetary science, and a bit of existential wonder — perfect for anyone curious about where life fits into the grand structure of the cosmos. Paper: https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/ast.2023.0076 Conference Abstract: https://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EPSC-DPS2025/EPSC-DPS2025-1512.html (Recorded live 8 December 2025.)