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Episode 150: Liz Allan and Dev Chana -  Learning, Listening and Leading the Next Era of EV Charging.

A massive thank you to E.ON Drive Infrastructure (Edri) for sponsoring this landmark 150th episode, and for making history with us as the very first face-to-face recording of the Electric Evolution Podcast.

Liz Allan speaks to Dev Chana, Managing Director of Edri to explore how the company is applying lessons from the sector to create a smarter, more customer-focused EV charging network. From ultra-rapid charging and site selection to megawatt-ready hardware, they discuss what it truly means to build infrastructure for tomorrow.

Dev Chana Bio:
Dev Chana is the Managing Director of E.ON Drive Infrastructure in the UK. With a career spanning energy trading, large-scale engineering, and clean tech startups, Dev brings a rare depth of experience to the EV infrastructure sector. His leadership at Edri is defined by a strong belief in learning from what hasn’t worked, embracing transparency, and delivering meaningful, long-term solutions for drivers. He is passionate about creating an EV charging experience that is as seamless, affordable, and accessible as possible.

Quote of the episode:
“We ask ourselves every time: are we building the network for today, or the network for tomorrow?”
Dev Chana, Managing Director, E.ON Drive Infrastructure.

Dev Chana Links:
Website: https://www.edri.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dev-chana-1228b94?
Edri LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/eon-drive-infrastructure

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Episode 149: Liz Allan and Mark Potter – Driving on Sunshine: Inside 3ti’s Journey and Smart EV Charging Solutions.

It’s such a pleasure to have this episode of Electric Evolution sponsored by 3ti, known for “driving on sunshine” by combining solar, storage, and EV charging to deliver cleaner, smarter infrastructure with reduced reliance on the grid. 

In this special episode, Liz Allan speaks to Mark Potter, CTO of 3ti, for an inspiring conversation about the future of EV charging infrastructure.
They discuss the potential within our energy infrastructure. Mark shares how 3ti is transforming the way we think about EV charging by making it faster, fairer, and more accessible than ever before.
Learn how the Papilio 3 system can be deployed in just hours, and discover how your EV could become an asset in the energy transition through vehicle-to-grid technology. 

Quote of the episode:
"Every single electric vehicle that is capable of CCS or CHAdeMO DC charging could be a bi-directional vehicle. The only thing that stops all of those CCS vehicles from being bi-directional charging capable right now is software." - Mark Potter. 

Mark Potter Bio:
Mark Potter is the CTO at 3Ti, bringing over two decades of engineering expertise to the energy infrastructure sector. His career began in aerospace at BAE Systems, where he worked on flight safety-critical control systems and avionics for aircraft, including the Tornado. He then spent 13.5 years in the EV industry at Protean Electric, developing cutting-edge in-wheel motor technology and EV retrofit solutions long before Tesla became mainstream.
Mark's passion extends beyond his professional work; he's a qualified civilian gliding instructor and former Scout leader, embodying the motto "to teach is to learn." His deep technical knowledge spans batteries, inverters, charging standards, and energy management systems, making him one of the UK's leading voices on bi-directional charging and DC microgrids.

Mark Potter and 3ti Links:
Website: https://3ti.co.uk
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/3tienergyhubs
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@3tievsolarcarparks801
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markpotter80

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Episode 148: Liz Allan and Simon Allan - The EV Test Drive Experience: What Dealerships Must Get Right.

Liz Allan is joined by Simon Allan, a seasoned motor trade professional with over 21 years in dealership roles, including at Renault, Mini, and BMW. Together, they delve into what it truly takes to support EV adoption at the showroom level, and why the test drive isn’t just about selling a car, but also about re-educating a driver.

From explaining regenerative braking and the absence of engine noise to addressing concerns of first-time automatic drivers and debunking public charging misconceptions, Simon shares why empathy, patience, and preparation are non-negotiable. He outlines why salespeople need to slow things down, ditch the jargon, and ask better questions, like whether the customer has off-street parking or understands how EV charging works.

They also explore the impact of retro-styled EVs, such as the Renault 5, on winning over petrolheads, and how sales teams can raise the bar to meet the expectations of today’s EV-curious drivers.

Quote of the Episode
“When you're selling an EV, you're not just selling a car, you’re often un-teaching 20 years of driving habits. Empathy and patience make all the difference.”
 — Simon Allan

Simon Allan Link:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonallan1414

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Episode 147: Liz Allan and Peter Clutton-Brock - Unlocking the Grid: Smarter Data for a Faster Net Zero Transition.

Liz Allan is joined by Pete Clutton-Brock, CEO of Yottar, to explore one of the biggest obstacles in our journey to net zero: grid capacity.

With a background spanning UK government departments, global tech giants, and cutting-edge climate tech, Pete has a rare perspective on how to unlock cleaner, smarter energy systems. He explains how Yottar uses data to map out available grid capacity, helping Charge Point Operators, the NHS, and other organisations to identify viable connection points for EV chargers, batteries, solar farms, and more.

Liz and Pete discuss the growing grid constraints facing the electrification of transport, heat, and power, and why misinformation around grid resilience is dangerous. They also discuss the role AI can play in accelerating clean infrastructure and why better data (not just more of it) is essential for planning and equity. From zombie grid applications, political resistance, and pylons, they discuss tangible solutions to one of the UK’s most pressing net zero challenges.

Quote of the Episode:
"We’re going through an electrification supercycle, but grid congestion isn’t uniform. If we can guide developers to underused parts of the network, we can avoid unnecessary upgrades and unlock net zero faster."
 — Pete Clutton-Brock

Peter Clutton-Brock Bio:
Pete Clutton-Brock has spent nearly two decades working across energy, data, and climate strategy. He began his career shaping policy within the UK government, with roles at the Department for Energy and Climate Change, HM Treasury, and the Department for International Development. He later moved into consultancy, advising major tech companies such as Google and Amazon on their sustainability and energy plans. Pete’s interest in applying data science to environmental challenges led him to co-found the Centre for AI and Climate, bringing together machine learning experts to explore real-world climate solutions. Today, as CEO and Co-Founder of Yottar, he’s focused on making grid data more accessible, helping accelerate the rollout of clean energy infrastructure across the UK. 

Peter Clutton-Brock Links:
Website: https://www.yottar.tech
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petercluttonbrock

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Episode 146: Liz Allan and Jolene Cook, OBE - Turning Science into Global Climate Action.

Liz Allan speaks to Jolene Cook, OBE, Head of International Climate Science and UK IPCC Focal Point at the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero.

Jolene shares her journey from musical maths graduate to leading global science-policy negotiations, including the intense behind-the-scenes work that goes into the IPCC reports that inform climate policy worldwide. From 3 am calls and 20-page policy summaries to her toddler’s views on EVs, Jolene brings a rare, human insight into one of the most important jobs in climate change today.

Jolene Cook, OBE Bio:
Jolene Cook is the Head of International Climate Science at the UK’s Department for Energy Security and Net Zero. She serves as the UK’s Focal Point to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and leads negotiations on science issues within the UN climate framework. With a PhD in atmospheric sciences from the University of Reading, Jolene has built a career translating complex climate science into actionable global policy. She’s passionate about bridging the gap between evidence and action, while also being a mum, musician, and EV advocate.

Quote of the episode:
"Speak out. Don’t be the silent majority. If you care about climate change, make sure your voice is heard, because policymakers and businesses need to know the public supports action." – Jolene Cook, OBE.

Jolene Cook, OBE Links:
Website: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/department-for-energy-security-and-net-zero
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jolene-cook-b3b39015
Show your stripes: https://showyourstripes.info/c/europe/unitedkingdom/all
Carbon Copy: https://carboncopy.eco/local-climate-action

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Episode 145: Liz Allan and Rosamund Adoo-Kissi-Debrah - the Fight for Clean Air in the UK.

Liz Allan is joined by internationally recognised clean air campaigner Rosamund Adoo-Kissi-Debrah for a powerful and emotional episode. After her daughter Ella died at just nine years old from a rare form of asthma, Rosamund became a leading advocate for environmental health and founded the Ella Roberta Foundation to protect others from preventable harm. In this honest and deeply inspiring conversation, Liz and Rosamund explore how invisible pollutants like nitrogen dioxide and particulate matter are impacting our health every day, and why asthma, allergies, and respiratory illness need to be taken far more seriously. Rosamund explains why clean air must be seen as a public health issue, not a political one. She shares her belief in a national awareness campaign led by trusted voices, not politicians, to help people understand the link between pollution and illnesses like asthma, cancer, and even infertility. Her call is simple but powerful: we all have a role to play in pushing for change, and Ella’s Law, legislation that enshrines the right to clean air, must be part of that. 

Rosamund Adoo-Kissi-Debrah Bio:
Rosamund Adoo-Kissi-Debrah is a globally recognised environmental health advocate and the founder of the Ella Roberta Foundation. She became a leading voice in the clean air movement following the tragic death of her daughter, Ella, from severe asthma exacerbated by air pollution. Rosamund’s campaigning has led to landmark legal and public health recognition, including Ella becoming the first person in the world to have air pollution officially recorded as a cause of death. Rosamund is a passionate educator and speaker working to raise awareness of the health impacts of pollution and to push for systemic change through legislation, and public engagement.

Quote of the Episode
“We can be divided over so many other issues. But when it comes to health and the National Health Service, I want us all to be on the same page.”
 — Rosamund Adoo-Kissi-Debrah

Rosamund Adoo-Kissi-Debrah Links:
Ella Roberta Foundation Website: https://www.ellaroberta.org
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rosamund-adoo-kissi-debrah-cbe-18aa5577

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Episode 144: Liz Allan and Ben Marks - Consumer Insights and the Road to Decarbonisation.

 Liz Allan speaks with Ben Marks, Managing Director of Electrify Research, to uncover why understanding homeowner behaviour is key to scaling up the transition to low-carbon technologies. With a background in market research and a passion for decarbonisation, Ben shares how his company’s Home Electrification Tracker Study (HETS) is helping businesses, banks, and policymakers make smarter, data-driven decisions. Together, Liz and Ben explore the real attitudes of over 32,000 homeowners across the UK, US, Germany, and France towards solar panels, electric vehicles, heat pumps, and home battery systems, painting a detailed picture of what’s driving (and stalling) the shift to cleaner technologies. They discuss why changing the public narrative around electrification remains such a challenge, especially in the face of persistent misinformation. Ben highlights how pinpointing the right consumer segments, such as “Electrification Trailblazers” and “Pragmatic Adopters”, is essential to accelerating adoption. The conversation also delves into the core motivations and barriers people experience when considering low-carbon alternatives, and how a systems-thinking approach can create powerful synergies between technologies, enabling benefits like lower bills and smarter, more efficient energy use across the home.

Ben Marks Bio:
Ben Marks is the Managing Director of Electrify Research and the founder of the Home Electrification Tracker Study (HETS). With over two decades in market research, including founding YouthSight and leading it for 18 years, Ben now applies his expertise to the energy transition. Passionate about decarbonisation and data-led decision-making, he’s helping businesses, banks, and governments understand homeowner attitudes towards electrification technologies and accelerate the move to net zero.

Ben Marks Links:
Website: https://www.electrifyresearch.co.uk
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-marks-6818285

Quote of the Episode

"If you believe consumers will drive the pace of home decarbonisation, then using high-quality consumer data to guide your actions isn’t optional—it’s essential."
— Ben Marks, Electrify Research

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Episode 143: Liz Allan and Daveena Saranna - Diversity, Equity, and the Future of EVs.

Liz Allan welcomes the inspiring and dynamic Daveena Saranna, Campaigns Manager (EV) at Green.TV Media. With a background rooted in sustainability, storytelling, and diversity, Daveena shares her unique journey from growing up in a Porsche dealership to championing equity and inclusion in the EV space.

A driving force behind the Top Women in EV campaign, Daveena speaks candidly about building community, redefining leadership, and what it means to create meaningful change across the sector. From curating impactful events to celebrating hidden voices, she discusses how Top Women in EV has become a platform for authenticity, allyship, and growth, locally and globally.

In a deeply personal and relatable conversation, Liz and Daveena also explore their experiences as neurodivergent women in the industry. They speak openly about the challenges and empowerment that come from understanding their diagnoses, and how embracing difference leads to stronger teams, richer stories, and more human workplaces.

Daveena Saranna Bio:
Daveena Saranna is Campaigns Manager (EV and Top Women in EV) at Green.TV Media, where she champions inclusion, storytelling, and strategic engagement in the EV industry. With a background in global sustainable development and previous experience at Everything Electric (formerly Fully Charged), Daveena combines academic insight with creative flair. She is a passionate advocate for equity, neurodiversity, and creating human-centred experiences that drive lasting change in the clean tech and automotive sectors.

Quote of the Episode:
“Diversity is a fact. Inclusion is a choice. And action, whether you’ve got a whole department or you're just one person doing your best, still matters.”
— Daveena Saranna

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Episode 142: Liz Allan and Kirsty Pendleton - Fleet Electrification, Customer Care, and Data Insights at the AA.

Liz Allan chats with Kirsty Pendleton, Head of B2B Marketing at the AA, about how the iconic motoring organisation is evolving to meet the challenges of an electric future.

With 25 years at the AA under her belt, Kirsty shares how the business has continually adapted, from classic roadside recovery to pioneering support for EV charge point operators. Discover how the AA’s deep-rooted values of “courtesy and care” are being channelled into new services like EV customer support lines, second-line technician response for faulty chargers, and predictive vehicle maintenance powered by AI.

Liz and Kirsty delve into the power of storytelling in marketing, the public’s lingering misconceptions about EVs, and the importance of proactive, data-driven support for drivers and fleets. Kirsty also lifts the lid on the AA’s role in initiatives like the Greenfleet rallies and their support of Guinness World Record-breaking EV journeys.

Kirsty Pendleto Bio:
Kirsty Pendleton is Head of B2B Marketing at the AA, where she has worked for an incredible 25 years. With a background in brand, education, and theatre marketing, Kirsty is a passionate advocate for customer experience, innovation, and the human side of the EV transition. She plays a key role in shaping how the AA supports drivers, fleets, and Charge Point Operators as the automotive world embraces electrification. Kirsty is also a proud EV Champion Award recipient and a regular presence at industry events like Greenfleet and Everything Electric.

Quote of the Episode:
“There’s something so reassuring about seeing that yellow AA van come over the horizon, you just know you’re in safe hands.”
— Kirsty Pendleton

Kirsty Pendleton Links:
Website: https://www.theaa.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kirsty-pendleton-35818a60

The AA EV Viewpoint Report https://www.theaa.com/about-us/newsroom/aa-ev-viewpoint?msockid=26d4493aed1565d41a455c30ec8264e9

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Episode 141: Liz Allan and Chris Cheetham - Why Annual Safety Inspections Matter for Every EV Charging Site.

Liz Allan is joined by Chris Cheetham, Founder and CEO of Safer Charging, to explore the often-overlooked world of post-installation care in the EV charging sector. Chris shares his journey from studying environmental science to his early days at PodPoint and the pivotal moment that led him to launch Safer Charging. He explains why EV charge points, much like any safety-critical infrastructure, require ongoing inspection and maintenance, rather than a one-time install-and-forget approach.

Their conversation covers the unique risks within EV charging environments, the importance of fire risk inspections, and the launch of the UK’s first EV Charging Installation Condition Report (EVCICR). They also unpack the real-world impact of overheating units, cable degradation, and poorly managed private infrastructure. Liz and Chris highlight how local authorities, landowners, and fleet operators can better safeguard their EV assets and why public trust is eroded whenever a charger is seen bagged off or left out of service.

Quote of the Episode
"Time degrades user attention as well as hardware. We need to treat charge points like safety-critical infrastructure—not just install and forget."
— Chris Cheetham, Founder & CEO of Safer Charging

Chris Cheetham Bio:
Chris Cheetham is a passionate advocate for safer, smarter EV charging. As CEO of Safer Charging, he works with businesses, councils, and landowners to ensure charge points are correctly installed and maintained to a high standard long after. With deep sector knowledge and a practical, solutions-focused mindset, Chris aims to make safety and reliability the norm across the UK’s charging infrastructure. His work helps clients confidently and clearly navigate fire risk, compliance, and operational performance. 

Chris Cheetham Links:
Website: https://www.safercharging.co.uk
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-cheetham-06185873

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