I welcome Elizabeth Hargrave, designer of Mariposas, Tussie Mussie and Kennerspiel winner Wingspan to the show.

01:01 - Getting started in game design

02:39 - How has your life changed since Wingspan's release?

04:53 - Design lessons learned?

06:04 - Success, access and guilt

08:14 - Why use naturalist themes

12:27 - Game influences

14:05 - Weilding a platform for activism

22:02 - Backlash to Wingspan?

24:34 - What most excites you about Oceania?

27:37 - Favorite bird yet to include in Wingspan?

27:40 - What's on the horizon?

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