After having the two songs of the summer in "Espresso" and "Please Please Please," Sabrina Carpenter is gearing up to release 'Short n' Sweet.' So first, Nora and Nathan go back to her album 'Emails I Can't Send.' They talk about her transition from a "lowercase pop girl" to an "uppercase pop girl" (1:00), her drama with Olivia Rodrigo and Joshua Bassett that led to songs like "Skin" and "Because I Liked a Boy" (29:54), and what they anticipate from her with this next album (41:53).

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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