This week, Kate brings in a friend of hers and a friend of the pod, Lucy Carey (aka @lucyontheground), for an in-depth discussion about the series “The Summer I Turned Pretty" [ALERT: the TV series version, they aren't book experts]. They explore the cultural phenomenon of the series, its massive viewership, intense stan-dom, the love triangle, and complex character dynamics between Belly, Conrad, and Jeremiah (and Redbird??). They go through key moments, episodes, character motivations, songs, Easter eggs, Jere and Belly’s biggest flops, and so much more. Don’t listen if you aren’t open to speculating about the ending :) Enjoy!

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Thank you to AllModern for furnishing Kate's Season 2 Studio! AllModern has the best of modern furniture and decor all in one place. Check out allmodern.com; you'll find Kate's bookshelves here and her new rug here!

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This week, Kate listened to a two-hour football podcast and lives to tell the tale. In this podcast episode about a podcast episode, Kate obsesses over a 30-something woman and her boyfriend existing and being normal, which surprisingly turned out to be the best entertainment of all. She recaps Taylor Swift's unprecedented appearance on New Heights, where we learned about TS12: The Life of a Showgirl, coming October 3rd. She breaks down her personal interview highlights, from SAT vocab words to otters to human exclamation marks and having fun. She was particularly struck by the Sourdough (10-minute version) airtime that was devoted exclusively to bread puns. She also talks through what we know so far about TS12 and gets excited to make space for more Blank Space pop on this album, exclusively produced by Max Martin and Shellback. Enjoy!

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This week, Kate’s interviewing Lee Tilghman, also known as @LeeFromAmerica, who was one of the very first major wellness influencers on social media. To her nearly 400k followers, she shared daily updates on everything from skincare and sleep hacks to smoothie bowls, travel tips, and workout routines, and her sponsorships netted an income of over $300k a year. On the grid, her life seemed perfect. But behind her carefully curated posts, Tilghman was in crisis, suffocating from the unrelenting demand of keeping up her online facade. She found herself viewing everything she did as potential content for Instagram, her relationships suffered, and her job’s focus on food led her to develop an unhealthy obsession with eating “perfectly.” After a stay in a mental health facility to address her disordered eating and psychological decline, Tilghman quit influencing as her primary career and set out to discover who she really was by leaving it all behind. Or did she?

In this episode, Kate and Lee discuss her memoir (out Tuesday Aug 12) “If You Don’t Like This, I Will Die,” with topics including the pressures of influencer culture, the evolution of wellness trends, and the complexities of social media addiction. They explore Lee's journey through extreme wellness practices, her current POV on her treatment for orthorexia, and her departure from the influencer world. Ultimately, while Lee shares a compelling personal story, the conversation reveals notable inconsistencies between her current perspectives and her memoir's narrative, so Kate also contemplates how curated online personas continue to shape real-life accountability in her outtro and will continue the conversation over at patreon.com/bethereinfive.

Note: This episode covers eating disorders and wellness culture. For resources and support, visit NEDA.org

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This week, join Kate and Caroline Moss as they chat through a variety of topics, from nostalgic summers that turned shitty to off-broadway dreams becoming realities in the big city. They discuss things like the Coldplay couple, Labubus, the importance of a modern-day Girls rewatch, the likability trap, Gen Z’s relationship to social media, the attention economy, and, most importantly, Caroline shares her journey to becoming a producer of the off-Broadway play ‘Dilaria,’ starring Conrad Fisher himself (#teamconnie). Enjoy!

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This week, join Kate as she returns to form (2+ hour early BTI5-style rambling) by going through an old PowerPoint she found on her computer about Taylor Swift’s evolution from diary-style songwriter to mythological storyteller through increasingly complex literary references. From "Love Story" fairytale princess to The Albatross and Cassandra the cursed prophet, how has Taylor deliberately written herself into literary archetypes as both artistic strategy and psychological self-defense? TLDR; a chaotic TS deep dive with a (hopefully) entertaining payoff about why our "crazy" fan behavior might actually be anthropologically normal.

Topics covered:

• The difference between symbolic self-portraiture and literal autobiography
• Greek gods vs. monotheistic religious figures (and why it matters for fandom behavior)
• Guillermo del Toro's quote about Taylor's "deep interest in fable and myth"
• Why "Mastermind" is more about childhood loneliness than strategic planning
• "The Albatross" and the Rime of the Ancient Mariner
• Why treating artists like gods can be dehumanizing in the name of protection
• Finding self-acceptance and/or collective empowerment at pop concerts
• A bathroom floor monologue about fairytales and personal authority
• And so much more!

Enjoy!

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This week, Kate starts by talking about water table culture, Le Creuset mystery boxes, and attempting to reclaim her adult hobbies, then she’s joined by Katie Gatti Tassin (Money with Katie, Diabolical Lies) to talk about her book Rich Girl Nation, which analyzes the unique experiences women have with money and discusses a variety of fascinating cultural, economic, social and financial intersections related to navigating capitalism as a woman. They talk about the co-opting of investment terminology in the name of consumerism and “self-care,” the hot girl hamster wheel of pricey beauty maintenance, as well as touch on societal influences on women's financial habits, the significance of prenups, and effective strategies for negotiating salaries, and more. Enjoy!

TRACK FIVE CHICAGO is on Saturday, July 19. Get your tix here!

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This week, Kate reviews America's Sweethearts season 2 on Netflix and tells the tale of how last year's Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders episode became one of BTI5's biggest hits— and biggest headaches. When current DCC members flooded her TikTok comments defending themselves against former teammate Victoria's mild birthday party observations, Kate found herself thunderstruck by cheerleader drama she never saw coming, and she'll never be the same. A year later, Kate returns to process what really went down behind the scenes and what she learned about internet drama, institutional dynamics, and the difference between nice girls and kind people. But she doesn't just break down her personal breakdown, she also recaps season two and reviews the pay negotiations that dominated this season, Shandy's mysterious Bahamas incident, Jada's incredible leadership, Dayton's return to Saturn (but not The Star), and examines how each season humanized the women in different ways. Originally recorded for Patreon, this episode offers a mix of gossipy pop culture, behind-the-scenes scoop, and personal vulnerability that she may regret later. Enjoy!

TRACK FIVE CHICAGO is on Saturday, July 19. Get your tix here!

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This week, Kate is joined by Nora Princiotti (host of Every Single Album, author of Hit Girls) to talk about the women who built pop's shiniest decade, like Taylor, Britney, Avril, Ashlee, Beyonce, and beyond. First, they tackle the news that Taylor Swift now owns her masters, then discuss some thoughts about Reputation TV and TS12 clownery, and it doesn't take long for Kate to interject and defend her Be There in Five Holes in a Fence era. Then, Nora shares what inspired her new book Hit Girls they and chat about a variety of topics, like how artists such as TS redefined fandom and authorship in the digital age (and how her MySpace posts laid the groundwork for today’s stan culture). They also discuss Avril Lavigne's not-like-other-girls brand, how Ashlee Simpson is correlated with why pop is finally being taken seriously, Max Martin's melodic math, and more. A must-listen for anyone obsessed with pop history, parasocial dynamics, or rereading their old Tumblr posts. Enjoy!

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Go to helixsleep.com/bethereinfive for the Fourth of July Sale and the Best of the Web offer, which is 27% off sitewide through July 31. 2025.

Hey Beths, did you know all of your favorite podcasts, including Be There in Five are on Amazon Music?All you have to say is ‘Alexa, play the podcast Be There In Five on Amazon Music.’ Or if you’re listening on your phone, just download the Amazon Music app, search for “Be There In Five” and click "Follow."  

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This week, Kate tries a tri-deep dive connecting Addison Rae's evolution, Y2K's one-hit wonders, and the overlap of both TRL and Tiktok's pop generations. Through Addison's candid interviews about stepping away from constant content creation, Kate explores how the machine that once discarded the forgotten pop girls of the early 2000s is long gone... or is it? Kate argues that while social media promised to democratize fame, it's actually created a more insidious system where creators internalize the disposability that labels and entertainment gatekeepers used to impose, making the case that Addison Rae represents a new model of how to game the system back.

Plus: Relax, Hailey Bieber isn't a billionaire (yet), Kylie's boob job transparency, S Club 7's tragic economics, YM magazine archaeology, and why we need to stop treating one-hit wonders like cautionary tales when they were actually victims of an assembly line designed to churn through young women for profit. Enjoy!

Playlists referred to:

Making Bead Lizards: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5qBMaMap0SsCAQT2spUU0L?si=75b7f67f73dc48e6

Inflatable Chair Lounging: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4ZiUucH8Cl8P6TQ7TqsVVQ?si=qJUnqZNFTouyebseg-wKHw

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To pick up amika's new line of smoothing/anti-frizz products, go to loveamika.com/bethereinfive. For June, amika is giving my listeners a one-time use code for 15% off your first order. Go to my page at loveamika.com/bethereinfive and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. 

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Join Kate on all eight of her days trying to Eat Pray Love. Back to reg programming next episode. Enjoy!

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