Fresh off their Ballerina Farm pilgrimage, the girls are back—and chaos reigns. Lauren and Chanler unpack the alleged threat Blake Lively’s legal team made against Taylor Swift (yes, the one about exposing 10 years of private texts 😳). Then it’s a deep dive into the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: ketamine therapy, family betrayal, facelifts, and MomTok delusions. Plus, major developments in the Karen Read trial and Cassie Ventura’s devastating testimony in the Diddy case. You’re not ready. 👀

⏱️ Chapter Timestamps:

[00:00–01:00] 🐄 Back from Ballerina Farm: A recap of their visit to Utah with Courtney Grow

[01:00–13:00] 💔 Taylor vs. Blake: The alleged threat, the fallout, and the godmother betrayal

[13:00–16:00] 👀 Travis Kelsey unfollows Ryan, Reputation (TV) hints, and the AMAs theory

[16:00–44:00] 🎬 Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S2: Taylor’s heartbreak, toxic parents, and ketamine therapy

[44:00–45:30] ✈️ PSA: Why Provo dating is a danger zone

[45:30–54:00] ⚖️ Karen Read trial update: Discredited expert testimony, taillight confusion, and police cover-up concerns

[54:00–55:30] 😠 Sgt. Yuri Bucha's shady performance on the stand

[55:30–01:02:00] 💣 Diddy trial: Cassie’s testimony, freak off allegations, and the breakdown of his decade-long abuse

[01:02:00–01:03:00] 🧠 Why this matters: justice for victims and Cassie’s stand

[01:03:00–01:04:00] 🎤 Outro: Upcoming content, love for the Global Elite, and farewell until Friday

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Lauren and Chanler’s dad, a family law attorney, returns to share legal wisdom on divorce, prenups, and child support, plus wild stories like chasing stolen goods. They reflect on their LDS upbringing, raising five daughters, and pursuing dreams at any age.

⏱️ Timestamps

[00:00–02:00] 🎙️ Dad’s Return

Listener love brings Dad back.

[02:00–04:00] 💕 Deb’s Friendship

Dad cherishes his 42-year marriage.

[04:00–09:00] 👧 Raising Daughters

Mom’s strictness, faith, and reading shaped success.

[09:00–10:00] ⚖️ Baby Names

Courts don’t block odd names.

[10:00–13:00] 💸 Income Lies

Fight ex’s fraud; ditch shady lawyers.

[13:00–17:00] 🕵️‍♂️ Attorney Choice

Pick specialists, trust gut, watch judges.

[17:00–19:00] 💳 Blocked Accounts

Lawyer up for support orders.

[19:00–21:00] 💼 Post-Divorce Work

Both spouses must work; skills matter.

[21:00–23:00] 😈 Bad Behavior

Affairs rarely affect no-fault divorce.

[23:00–27:00] 👨‍👧 Five Girls

Dad navigated hormones; Mom was strict.

[27:00–30:00] 💔 Divorce Tips

Seek faith, a friend; try saving marriage.

[30:00–33:00] 📈 Impulsive Divorces

More common, but kids suffer.

[33:00–38:00] ⚖️ Law Path

Started law at 30 with three kids.

[38:00–41:00] 🚀 Chase Dreams

Pursue goals at any age.

[41:00–44:00] 📝 Prenups

Fair prenups share future earnings.

[44:00–48:00] 🧗‍♀️ College Days

Lauren’s risky dates; sisters’ server jobs.

[48:00–50:00] 🦅 Daughters’ Paths

All chose bold careers, not law.

[50:00–52:00] 💡 New Careers

Nursing, paralegal, sales for reentry.

[52:00–57:00] 🚨 Wild Tales

Limo attorney; stolen goods chase.

[57:00–59:00] 💰 Greed’s Cost

Hidden assets don’t pay off.

[59:00–01:01:00] 🌟 No Status

Raised valuing love, not pedigree.

[01:01:00–End] 🎤 Sign-Off

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The girls are back from wedding bliss and diving headfirst into hot topics—from a possible Taylor Swift pregnancy to Diddy’s disturbing trial details. Chanler dishes on an unexpected urgent care visit, while Lauren unpacks blind items about Blake Lively’s rumored fallout with Taylor. They debate the Karen Read trial, analyze Meghan and Harry’s Beyoncé date night, and break down why a 24-year-old pageant queen is outsmarting all of us with $9 million in real estate. Drama, speculation, and Chanel denim slander—this episode has it all.

[00:00–03:00] 💊 Post-Wedding Urgent Care

Chanler reveals her rough post-honeymoon health scare and how “traveler’s issues” sent her to urgent care.

[03:00–05:00] 🌽 Mother’s Day & Corn Cob Shame

The girls reflect on a sweet Mother’s Day… until a corn-eating incident leaves Lauren humiliated.

[06:00–08:00] ⚖️ Should They Cover the Diddy Trial?

They discuss whether they should pivot into full-on legal podcasters and break down audience appetite for darkness.

[08:00–10:00] ☕ Taylor & Travis Reappear!

Taylor and Travis were spotted with both moms on Mother's Day, sparking pregnancy or engagement rumors.

[10:00–12:00] 👜 The Chanel 25 Bag Debate

Lauren critiques Taylor’s controversial denim Chanel bag and the brand’s identity crisis.

[12:00–15:00] 🤰 Engagement or Baby on the Way?

Speculation: is Taylor secretly pregnant—or just shopping hobo bags with bad posture?

[15:00–18:00] 💍 DeuxMoi’s Blind Hint + Pregnancy Test Panic

A DeuxMoi tease hints at an engagement, while Chanler has her own pregnancy test scare.

[19:00–21:00] 🧐 Karen Read Trial Talk Begins

The girls passionately defend Karen and wonder why the supposed “cover-up crew” seems so bad at covering up.

[21:00–27:00] 🧪 Karen Theories & Cocktail Glass Debate

In-depth theorizing: how did the glass stay intact? Why did no one text about the body? They’re confused and obsessed.

[29:00–32:00] 📣 Taylor Subpoenaed in Blake Lawsuit

Taylor’s fiery denial of involvement in “It Ends With Us” is dissected line by line.

[32:00–35:00] 🚫 Girl Gang Fallout: Blake is OUT

With Blake uninvited from Gigi’s party and Travis unfollowing Ryan, it looks like Taylor is officially over it.

[35:00–38:00] 🔥 Blind Item: Blake Tried to Seduce Justin?!

A wild blind claims Blake made a move on Justin… and Taylor may have spilled it to Brittany Mahomes.

[39:00–42:00] 🧨 Diddy Trial Breakdown (Warning: Graphic)

Shocking opening day testimony is covered, from assault to bribes to male escorts and control.

[43:00–45:00] 👑 Jordan Hudson’s Real Estate Empire

Bill Belichick’s 24-year-old girlfriend just bought $9M in condos. The girls are stunned and impressed.

[45:00–48:00] 🧠 The Psychology of Jordan Hudson

Is this 5D chess? They analyze the strategy and ROI behind her sugar baby-to-landlord pipeline.

[49:00–52:00] 🤠 Meghan & Harry at Cowboy Carter

They break down Meghan’s outfit, Harry’s hat, and why this photo dump hits different.

[52:00–55:00] 👑 The Royal Family’s PR Games

With no signs of reconciliation, the girls predict Harry and Meghan’s fading relevance as the next gen grows up.

[55:00–57:00] 💸 Brand Longevity Doubts for Meghan & Harry

Do they have enough “product” to support the lifestyle? Lauren goes full monologue.

[57:00–End] 🎤 Signing Off with Love

Back from the wedding and ready to spill all the tea, the girls close with love for the listeners and a reminder to subscribe for more!

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While Chanler is off honeymooning, Lauren is joined by one of her closest friends and the chicest blonde she knows — Elizabeth. The duo dive deep into royal chaos, from Meghan Markle's HRH mess to Prince William's fury, and break down the Walton Goggins and Amy Lou Wood drama. They also tackle the shocking story of a ring-copying sister-in-law, Jordan Hudson's PR reign over Bill Belichick, and a family feud brewing in the Beckham clan. Plus, a Capri travel segment with insider tips closes the show.

⏱️ Chapter Timestamps

00:00 – Meet Elizabeth 👯‍♀️

Chanler is on her honeymoon, so Lauren invites bestie Elizabeth to co-host. They chat Chandler’s gorgeous Prospect Park wedding and kick off a Capri-themed giveaway.

07:00 – The Ring Copy Heard Round the Family 💍

A listener dilemma: her future sister-in-law copies her exact engagement ring — then drags it on TikTok. The girls are scandalized.

11:00 – Meghan Markle Gossip Bombshell ☕

An anonymous source shares insider PR tea on Meghan’s fame strategy pre-Harry. Spoiler: it involves a deck of rich men at events.

13:00 – Meghan’s HRH Title Scandal 🔥

Lauren and Elizabeth dissect Meghan’s latest controversy — using her royal title on a jam gift basket featured in a public podcast.

19:00 – Did Meghan Break the Rules? 👑

They debate if Meghan’s HRH use was innocent or strategic. Cue a full breakdown of royal branding, commercial promotion, and royal hypocrisy.

26:00 – Prince William’s Fury 💢

New reports claim William is planning to formally strip Harry and Meghan’s HRH titles when he becomes king. The girls weigh in on whether it’s deserved.

30:00 – Security Drama & Harry’s Court Loss 🔐

Prince Harry loses a UK court appeal over taxpayer-funded protection. Lauren and Elizabeth discuss whether the royal family is putting him in danger.

37:00 – Walton Goggins & Amy Lou Wood 💔

The two get into the juicy behind-the-scenes fallout between White Lotus stars Walton and Amy. From Instagram clues to awkward interviews, they speculate on what went down.

42:00 – Jordan Hudson’s PR Reign Over Belichick 🧠💅

Is Bill Belichick’s 24-year-old girlfriend tanking his career? The answer is possibly yes — and the girls go in hard on the weird dynamic.

47:00 – The Beckhams Are Feuding 🥊

David Beckham turns 50 — and Brooklyn + Nicola skip the bash. What’s going on between the Beckhams and Nicola Peltz? And who is Romeo’s new (and recycled?) girlfriend?

53:00 – ✨ Bonus Segment: Amalfi Coast & Capri Travel Guide

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Lauren and Chan dive into everything we know so far from Karen Read’s retrial — prosecution and defense strategy, courtroom drama, and key witness moments. It’s all on the table.

00:00 – 08:00 Wedding Week Catch-Up

08:01 – 10:59 Case Background & Legal Overview

11:00 – 12:59 Media Impact & Public Perception

13:00 – 15:59 Jury Insights & Legal Strategy

16:00 – 18:59 Key Players & Investigation Focus

19:00 – 22:59 Scene Details & Timeline Questions

23:00 – 24:59 Financial Fallout & Defense Structure

25:00 – 27:59 New Evidence Introduced

28:00 – 32:59 Behavior, Phones & Property Changes

33:00 – 34:59 Search History Controversy

35:00 – 38:59 Opening Statements & Legal Framing

39:00 – 41:59 Witness Testimony & Trial Atmosphere

42:00 – 47:00 Expert Evidence & Courtroom Debates

47:01 – 48:59 Trial Momentum & What's Ahead

49:00 – 51:59 Pop Culture Pulse Check (Travis Kelce, Meghan Markle)

52:00 – 55:00 Podcast Reactions & Commentary

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In light of Karen Read’s retrial, Lauren and Chandler revisit her first trial from 2024. They walk through the full timeline, key evidence, legal strategies, and the emerging controversies surrounding law enforcement’s role in the investigation.

00:00 – 03:00 Intro, Format & Re-Release Context

03:01 – 05:00 Who Were John O’Keefe and Karen Read?

05:01 – 07:00 The Night in Question

07:01 – 10:00 Early Morning Discovery & Initial Reactions

10:01 – 13:00 Phone Records, Taillights & 911 Call

13:01 – 16:00 Charges, Legal Teams, & Investigation Overview

16:01 – 20:00 Evidence at the Scene

20:01 – 24:00 Conflicting Theories & Relationship Dynamics

24:01 – 28:00 Defense Strategy & Possible Coverup Claims

28:01 – 33:00 Missing Footage, Evidence Chain & Key Players

33:01 – 37:00 Surveillance Gaps & Timeline Breakdown

37:01 – 42:00 Technology Data, Text Patterns & Phones

42:01 – 47:00 Witness Testimony Challenges & Investigative Concerns

47:01 – 52:00 Prosecutorial Position & Rebuttals

52:01 – 57:00 Federal Oversight & External Reports

57:01 – 01:03:00 Final Review of Conflicting Evidence

01:03:01 – End What Comes Next & Closing Thoughts

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Marriage is magical… but also occasionally maddening. In this episode, we welcome licensed marriage and family therapist Aly Bullock, to spill her wisdom on making love last long after the honeymoon.

💥 [00:02:10] We kick it off with the most-asked question about long-term relationships—and a fresh perspective you probably haven’t heard before.

💃 [00:04:50] “Non-toxic drama”? Yes, it’s a thing—and you might just be obsessed with the concept.

👀 [00:10:45] How something as simple as eye contact might be the most underrated intimacy move.

📱 [00:12:00] The couples app that’s transforming everyday connection—one tiny prompt at a time.

🥴 [00:17:15] Is it possible to be happy, healthy, and passionate in the long run? Let’s just say this part might challenge your assumptions.

💔 [00:24:15] What to do when you’re years in and still unsure if your partner is “the one.”

😬 [00:27:15] The art of addressing a partner’s weight gain—with honesty and compassion.

💅 [00:33:00] What to say when your partner’s new look has you questioning everything—including their haircut choices.

💵 [00:36:10] Money dynamics in relationships: how to handle shifts in income and power without blowing things up.

👶 [00:41:50] Kids change everything—here’s how to stay close when chaos enters the chat.

🔐 [00:48:50] Trust issues and betrayal: what healing really looks like, and how to know when it’s time to walk away.

👪 [00:55:10] In-law boundaries, decoded. (Yes, you can set them without sparking family feuds.)

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[00:00–02:00] 🚀 Was this really a “medium news week”? The girls dive into the headline that sent them — literally — into orbit.

[02:00–06:00] 🌌 Katy Perry returns from space and says she’s “never felt more connected to love.” The commentary that follows? Unhinged perfection.

[13:00–17:00] 💇‍♀️ Dyson Airwrap: myth or miracle? Lauren enters her hair reform era, and Chanler has thoughts.

[24:00–29:00] 👠 Shoe size shame and celebrity foot gossip (yes, this is a real segment, and yes, it’s glorious).

[31:00–34:00] 💸 The $30 Stanley Cup that almost ended a wedding before it started.

[35:00–39:00] 🎭 A viral SNL sketch, bad teeth jokes, and a rumored celeb breakup — things get dicey.

[40:00–47:00] ⚖️ An unexpected twist in the Lively vs. Baldoni case, including a new voice on Team Justin.

[47:00–52:00] 👯‍♀️ The Kyle and Dorit friendship breakdown — are we watching the end in real time?

[52:00–57:00] 🎶 Morgan Wade, Wilder Days, and Real Housewives chemistry that’s way too on-the-nose.

[57:00–End (~01:01:00)] 🥂 A toast to long-lasting love — and Jennifer Tilley just living her fabulous life.

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Lauren and Chan chat about the countdown to Chan’s wedding and take a stroll down memory lane (0:47). They discuss the backlash over Blake Lively’s time at a donut shop (8:51), the White Lotus finale (15:03), Lauren’s suspicions about Taylor and Travis (30:18), Sydney Sweeney’s breakup + potential new romance (32:27), Meghan Markle’s new podcast “Confessions of a Female Founder” (37:42), Erin and Abe Lichy’s new podcast “Come Together” (43:59), and finally, their top picks for the Sephora sale (50:57). 

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Lauren and Chan are joined by Olivia Snow of Mother’s Daughter Design (@mothersdaughterdesign on Instagram) to chat about all things interior design. They dive into discussing their favorite celebrity homes, as well as a celebrity home that has them puzzled: 

Emma Chamberlain’s LA house (7:52), Gigi Hadid’s New York apartment (11:57) Emma Roberts’ LA house (15:25), Kendall Jenner’s LA house (21:14), and Gwyneth Paltrow’s Montecito house (26:41).

They also get to listener questions:

The best place areas to save money in a house that needs a lot of work? (40:07)

What styles are coming next? (43:47)

A designer’s thought’s on wallpaper?( 45:19)

Where to spend and where to save with furniture? (46:46)

What to look for in a rug? (48:17)

How do I not decorate like everyone on Instagram? (49:46)

What are the best friendly decorating tips? (52:45)

How do I find my own style? (54:52)

What lighting shade gives the coziest light in a home? (56:27)

What are inexpensive ways to update a bedroom or kitchen? (58:35)

How to handle your partner having very different interior style opinoins? (1:00:53)

What is trending now that people will regret in five years? (1:03:00)

What are online retailers that are really good quality for the price? (1:04:15)

When should you do use a designer for specific items?(1:07:20)

What are Olivia’s favorite paint colors to use? (1:10:33)

How to know when to use a decorator? (1:14:02)

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