In this bonus episode, Chanler is joined by her husband Ben and their wedding planner, Laura from Love, Laura. We discuss what it actually takes to plan a wedding that feels intentional, elevated, and true to you. From walking away from their original venue to rethinking the wedding party altogether, this conversation goes deep on the emotional, logistical, and aesthetic realities of modern wedding planning — with expert advice from Laura herself.

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(00:00:00) 💍 Where to Start — the foundation of a great wedding and why your planner actually matters

(00:08:32) 🥂 Defining Your Style — avoiding trend traps, trusting your gut, and staying true to your vision

(00:16:40) 🎻 Making It Meaningful — how to create a ceremony that feels intimate, not performative

(00:22:13) 🪑 The Guest List Equation — setting boundaries, navigating family politics, and curating with intention

(00:28:48) 🧠 Avoiding the Spiral — decision fatigue, emotional overload, and how to reset when it gets too much

(00:37:05) 👗 Dress Wisdom — why it’s okay to change your mind, and how to find a look you actually feel good in

(00:43:41) 📸 Capturing the Moment — trusting your team, letting go of the shot list, and being present

(00:52:20) 💒 Final Advice — Laura’s golden rule, Ben’s hot take, and the one thing every bride should prioritize

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This week, Lauren and Chanler sit down with the legendary jewelry designer, Jade Trau, for a glimmering deep dive into the art of jewelry that empowers, carries memories, and actually fits your lifestyle. From self-gifting diamond bracelets to refreshing engagement rings, this episode is a masterclass in fine jewelry. ✨

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(00:00:00) 💎 The Roman Empire Is Real — Lauren’s obsession with Jade, push presents, and showroom dreams

(00:10:05) 🎯 Imposter Syndrome & Value — deciding to do the thing anyway

(00:18:34) 💍 Jewelry As Identity — self-purchasing women, wearable power, and middle finger diamonds

(00:28:41) 🌎 Jewelry & Sustainability — vintage stones, timelessness, and why it’s not like fast fashion

(00:36:12) ✨ Where to Start — fine jewelry 101: ears first, personality always

(00:39:48) 🧠 Styling with Intention — when jewelry feels like you, and why that’s everything

(00:44:55) 💘 Engagement Ring Refresh — what’s trending (or not), and how to reimagine your forever

(00:55:40) 🚩 Red Flags — what to watch for in quality, materials, and brands

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From crayon-sketched love letters to a full-blown national manhunt, Lauren and Chanler unravel the sharpest left turn in Pop Apologists history. What starts as a casual Bin Laden doc spiral turns into a CIA-level obsession, a George Bush fangirl confession, and an unhinged (but stunning) PR breakdown of America’s longest-running villain arc.

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(00:00:00)💍 Next Week Teasers — Courtney Grow, Sam from Sauce Media, and Chanler’s wedding planner ep reveal

(00:05:00) 🎯 Why Bin Laden? — Netflix recs, moral anxiety, and Obama’s situation room doc teaser

(00:08:30) 👳‍♂️ Osama Bin Laden Origins — Billionaire roots, Mecca PR flops, and why he ghosted Saudi royalty

(00:14:10) 💣 First Attacks + Fatwas — The Kenya and Tanzania embassy bombings and FBI’s first miss

(00:22:55) 🕊️ 9/11 Memories — Living in New York post-attack, national grief, and the last time we all agreed on something

(00:24:10) 💌 Chanler’s Letter to George Bush — American flags, colored pencils, and “wonderful presidents”

(00:36:00) 🕵️‍♀️ The Woman Behind the Win — Torture, aliases, and the analyst who refused to let go

(00:43:25) 📊 Obama’s Big Call — Debating the odds, scheduling the raid, and the worst neighbors ever

(00:48:05) 🔫 The Kill Shot — 40 minutes, a hallway, and the quietest end to a global obsession

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It’s a LadyGang x Pop Apologists crossover! No dating dilemma is safe. Lauren and Chanler join forces with Becca, Keltie, and Jac to break down the ultimate red flags in a man. Everything from mattress-on-the-floor energy to exes who still use Snapchat. They swap stories about musicians with “permanent rizz,” weigh in on cat dads, cargo pants, and settle the debate once and for all: Can a man be too outdoorsy? 

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(00:00:00) 🎙️ The Girlies Meet — LadyGang joins the Pop Apologists for a red flag reckoning

(00:03:00) 🎸 Dating the Same Guy from Panic! at the Disco — Mutual exes, fan blogs, and teen heartbreak origins

(00:06:00) 🧠 Does Musician Rizz Expire? — Hot now, not later, and the Mark McGrath paradox

(00:09:15) 🧢 Cargo Pants + Brad Falchuk — Gwyneth’s husband, Roman Empires, and unexpected green flags

(00:11:50) 📱 Reels, Ring Lights, and the Male Influencer Ick — Social media addiction as a red flag

(00:17:00) 🛋️ Furniture Fails + Red Flag Decor — Gaming chairs, mom co-signs, and bean bag nightmares

(00:22:00) 📸 Venmos, Vibes, and Financial Reality Checks — Mint accounts, fake entrepreneurs, and how to math the math

(00:28:30) 🏕️ Camping Trauma + Capitalism Compatibility — Tarps, canyons, and the war on flip flops

(00:35:40) 🧾 Prenups, Debt Reveals, and the $10 Million Lie — Financial transparency vs. love blindness

(00:44:55) 💔 Do Men Ever Change? — Ryan Ross, Jax Taylor, and the myth of the reformed cheater

(00:47:10) 👻 Snapchat and Other Modern Red Flags — Disappearing messages, ex-girlfriend mysteries, and online horniness

(00:48:40) 🔨 Sam Asghari: General Contractor Edition — Why construction jobs might be the new green flag

(00:50:10) 💋 Do He Go Down Though? — Oral reciprocity, period squeamishness, and what it says about him

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This week, the ultimate chaos agent Jessi Ngatikaura joins Lauren and Chanler to talk about fame, friendship feuds, and what really goes down behind the scenes of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. From business blow-ups to relationship red flags, Jessi doesn’t hold back—and neither do your hosts. 💅

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(00:00:00) 🎥 Behind the Curtain — What Jessi didn’t expect when the show dropped, and how Utah reacted IRL.

(00:04:58) 💇‍♀️ Faith, Hair, and Fallout — Running a business in Utah County, balancing Mormon expectations, and bracing for public backlash.

(00:10:58) 📉 Jen & Zac’s Messy Arc — Church drama, text receipts, and one unexpected redemption arc.

(00:14:50) 💬 Taylor Frankie Paul: Icon or Chaos? — Jessi’s real-life friendship with Taylor, her thoughts on Dakota, and what we didn’t see on camera.

(00:18:30) 💥 Hairgate + Demigeddon — What really went down at Saints & Sinners, and why one healing session couldn’t fix the betrayal.

(00:26:00) 🧪 Layla, Miranda, and the Spicy Cast Additions — Who brought it, who played it safe, and what’s coming next.

(00:32:10) 🔄 Mormon Marriage + Glow-Ups — Jessi on her thyroid surgery, plastic surgery transparency, and the cultural double standards in Utah.

(00:38:40) 🔮 Swinging Culture + Mormon Complications — Upside-down pineapples, spiritual loopholes, and what the church says (or doesn’t) about ketamine.

(00:43:15) ⚔️ Mikayla vs. Whitney — Feuds, fractures, and where Jessi sees it all heading next season.

(00:46:40) 🧁 MomTok Constitution? — Breadwinners, Botox, and redefining Mormon motherhood on TikTok.

(00:50:05) 📣 Viewer DMs Save Lives — How Jessi caught a thyroid issue thanks to vigilant fans, and what her recovery journey looked like.

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Lauren and Chanler spiral through the chaos of quitting corporate life, the psychosis of mushroom pilots, and why Planet Bibi wants you to orgasm for an hour. They unpack Meghan and Harry’s long game (including a 2027 olive branch??), compare two wildly tone-deaf weddings, and read anonymous Hampton confessions that will make you think twice before trusting any Birkin. Plus: what Alex Cooper’s doc revealed, and how a TikTok account inspires Lauren.

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(00:00) 🧠 Chanler’s Meta exit, full-time freedom, and reclaiming her brain

(08:05) ✈️ Plane crash psychosis + how to boof your way out of a nosedive

(13:02) 🍄 Pilot on mushrooms and Lauren’s derealization trip in Mexico

(19:07) 💦 Planet Bibi's 25 orgasms + bedroom ergonomics exposed

(23:04) 🎧 Alex Cooper’s doc, her stalker coach, and becoming a one-woman media empire

(29:01) 🎙️ Meghan Markle ends her podcast (again) + Emma Grede keeps it real

(32:46) 👑 Meghan & Harry’s 2027 olive branch, royal family freeze-out, and Charles shade

(36:55) 💒 Blake’s plantation wedding backlash + Bezos & Lauren’s chaotic Venice plans

(41:01) 📱 Taylor and Blake’s texts ruled admissible—what are they hiding?

(44:46) 🏛️ Daily Dose Donna’s site visit + Blake’s wedding venue in question

(51:21) 💼 Hamptons club debt, fake Birkins, and financial denial in zip code 11937

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This one’s for the girls who grew up on TRL, cried to Fearless, and low-key still know all the words to “He Could Be the One.” Nora Princiotti joins Lauren and Chanler to talk about the evolution of authenticity in pop, Miley’s totally unfiltered bombshells, and whether Taylor Swift might be pulling off the greatest long game in music history.

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(00:00) 🎤 Introduction — Meet Nora Princiotti and the book that rewrites pop history: Hit Girls.

(04:58) 👩‍🎤 Authenticity in Pop — Ashlee Simpson, Avril Lavigne, and why being “real” became a trap.

(10:22) 🎧 Poptimism vs Rockism — What’s “real music” anyway? We dive into the early 2000s’ biggest culture war.

(19:00) 🌸 Interviewing Miley Cyrus — Nora’s interview with Miley, unfiltered stories, and emotional honesty from the popstar.

(26:00) 💿 Miley Album Recs — Where to start if you’ve only heard “Flowers” and “Party in the U.S.A.”

(36:10) 🎶 “Since U Been Gone” — The story behind Kelly Clarkson’s scream-your-heart-out hit and the pop comeback no one saw coming.

(43:56) 🪩 Taylor Swift — The rerecords, the rage, and her business plays... Did she devalue her own masters on purpose?

(47:58) 👑 Brat Summer & Cowboy Carter — Cultural saturation, chart performance, and what we’re actually listening to.

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If you like chaos, congratulations, this episode is tailor-made for you. We’ve got major courtroom drama in the Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni case, Taylor Swift blending into Travis Kelce’s family wedding, Meghan Markle twerking (?), and a manifestation debate no one asked for. Plus, the woo-woo polyamory breakdown that needs to be studied.

(00:00) 👩🏼‍⚖️ Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni - Court bombshells, conspiracy theories, and one very shady filing.

(12:59) 💍 Taylor Swift at Travis Kelce’s Family Wedding - We’re talking dresses, dancing, and… was that a Swiftie infiltration?

(19:46) 👑 Meghan Markle’s Hospital Dance Video - Is it cute or is it cringe? Discuss.

(26:13) 🌻 Hailey Bieber’s Therapeutic Summer - Instagram captions don’t lie. We decode.

(31:59) 🍼 Lauren Bostick Manifested Motherhood - What she said about fertility broke the internet. Let’s unpack.

(42:28) 🔥 Expanded Monogamy, Burning Man, and The Goddess Pipeline - Truly one of the craziest things we’ve ever covered. Brandy Melville models involved.

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Chanler’s back from the flight from hell—complete with zero legroom, tarmac heat, and a bralette breakdown. Lauren lands from St. Barth and immediately roasts the snack box struggle. The sisters debrief their Juicy Scoop appearance, dish on Brooklyn upgrades, and dive into the latest Karen Read courtroom twists. Then it’s The Valley's most overblown scandal (a pantry tequila swig??), Blake Lively’s legal backpedaling, Taylor Swift’s mini dress moment, and why Ubah’s fiancé might be the hottest man in Bravo history.

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[00:00] ✈️ Flight from Hell — Chanler barely survives United's final row with no AC, no food, and full claustrophobia. She strips. Literally.

[10:00] 🎤 Juicy Scoop & Jet Lag — Post-interview blackout and a proud sister moment over their Heather McDonald appearance.

[11:30] 🏡 Brooklyn Era Incoming — Chanler shares details on her dreamy new apartment: double square footage and heated bathroom floors.

[15:00] ⚖️ Karen Read Trial Gets Messier — FBI investigations, hostile witnesses, and a town with collective amnesia. It’s getting wild.

[20:00] 🍾 Pantrygate on The Valley — Did a secret tequila swig mean more? Janet stirs the pot hard and the girls call BS on the drinking drama.

[25:00] 💔 Jesse & Michelle Meltdown — Jesse’s verbal abuse, Michelle’s glow-up, and why divorce might’ve saved her personality.

[28:00] 🧾 Blake Lively's Legal Retreat — She’s trying to drop the emotional distress claim—but keep her options open? We see you, Blake.

[33:00] 🎭 Sutton Foster Steps Out (Silently) — Hugh Jackman’s girlfriend skips the press line while Deborra-Lee Furness drops spiritual shade.

[36:00] 👠 Taylor Swift at Monkey Bar — Black mini dress, diamond tennis bracelet, and... platform heels? The girls weigh in on the look.

[40:00] 👙 Bethenny’s Bikini Clapback — Bethenny hits the swimwear runway and defends her “cute tush.” The sisters are divided.

[45:00] 🩻 Kylie’s Boob Job Details — 450cc, moderate profile, under the muscle. Kylie finally shares her plastic surgery specs.

[50:00] 💍 Ubah Gets Her Man — Ubah Hassan’s new fiancé is hot, tall, and rich. Chanler is unwell. Jill Zarin thinks it’s divine intervention.

[55:00] 💔 Lauren Sanchez Grace Clause — Why does Sutton get heat but Lauren Sanchez gets worshipped? The girls make their case.

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