timestamps

(00:00:00–00:06:00) 👗 “Tits out” & Family optics — the Nader sisters, dressing sexy around your parents, and inherited modesty culture

(00:06:01–00:12:30) ✈️ Lxury travel truths — honeymoon hotel comparisons, Cancún bookings, and when the dream experience almost collapses

(00:12:31–00:19:45) 🎬 Hugh Jackman, Sutton Foster & Kate Hudson — work-husband rumors, jealousy optics, and calling the paparazzi on yourself

(00:19:46–00:29:15) 🧡 Timothée Chalamet & Kylie Jenner — award-speech soft launches, “partner” discourse, and why Kylie is actually out of his league

(00:29:16–00:35:55) 🕵️ Club Chalamet obsession — fandom gone feral, parasocial ownership, and what happens when a stan gets too close

(00:35:56–00:40:50) 🧾 Carole Radziwill & Ghislaine Maxwell — the framed photo mystery, social-circle denial, and what “not knowing” really means

(00:40:51–00:41:55) 💎 Dorit & PK fallout — the Birkin comment, public bitterness, and why exes with rude comment are the real red flag

(00:41:56–00:46:15) 🚨 Denise Richards & Aaron Phypers — GoFundMe drama, eviction headlines, custody leverage, and emotional manipulation

(00:46:16–00:56:00) 🎤 Eras Tour: Marjorie — family legacy, backstage illness, Andrea Swift lore, and a jaw-dropping ring story

(00:56:01–01:05:30) 💫 Gracie Abrams vs. Sabrina Carpenter — fangirl energy, reverence for Taylor Swift, and who understood the assignment

(01:05:31–end) ❤️ the final show — Travis Kelce’s letter, “love of my life” timing, burnout, and what it means to finally be ready

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As we close out 2025 and head straight into divorce season, Lauren & Chanler are joined by their favorite recurring guest — their dad, a longtime divorce attorney — for one of your most-requested annual episodes.

From Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce’s hypothetical prenup to Golden Bachelor drama, Real Housewives breakups, and messy celebrity divorces, Dad breaks down what actually matters legally (and what’s pure Hollywood fiction).

Plus, we answer listener questions on:

• Prenups vs. no prenups
• What really happens after 10 years of marriage
• Substance abuse, gambling, and domestic violence in divorce
• Why mediation without a lawyer can go very wrong
• Red flags to watch for when dating divorcees

It’s informative, unfiltered, funny, and slightly unhinged — exactly how we like to ring in the New Year. 🥂⚖️

⏱️ Timestamps

00:00 — Welcome to divorce season 🎄➡️💔

01:45 — Introducing Dad (and why listeners love him) 👨‍⚖️❤️

04:00 — Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce: billionaire prenups explained 💍💰

08:30 — Do you really need a prenup? 🤔📜

12:45 — When prenups backfire emotionally 😬

15:10 — The 10-year marriage rule (myth vs reality) 🔟⚖️

18:40 — Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban’s sobriety clause 🧾🚫🍷

22:15 — Golden Bachelor divorce + protecting kids’ inheritances 👴💍

27:00 — Kyle Richards & Mauricio: separation dates explained 🏠📅

31:30 — Vocational evaluations & “fake unemployment” 💼📉

34:45 — Divorcing someone with a drinking problem 🍺🚫

39:10 — Dating before divorce: does the court care? 💔➡️❤️

41:45 — Trusts, inheritances & when kids get paid 💼👨‍👩‍👧

44:30 — Higher-earning wives & alimony fears 💸⚖️

47:20 — Red flags when dating divorced men 🚩👀

49:40 — Secret gambling & breach of marital trust 🎰🚫

52:30 — Why mediation without a lawyer is dangerous ⚠️📄

55:10 — Emotional abuse vs physical abuse in divorce 🧠⚖️

57:00 — Final advice, family love & New Year send-off 🥂❤️

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Merry Christmas, Global Elites 🎄 We’re bringing back one of the most unhinged, accidentally iconic episodes in Pop Apologists history. Originally recorded two years ago, Olive Oil & Blood is a time capsule of early-era Lauren and Chanler.

First released January 5, 2022.

timestamps:

(00:00:00) ☕ Caffeine & the Will to Live — post-holiday dread, coffee as medicine, and existential morning spirals

(00:05:05) 🍪 Failed Business Fantasies — fresh homemade cookies, startup delusion, and entrepreneurial reality checks

(00:10:20) 🧳 Family Visit Trauma — parents in nyc, outdoor dining chaos, and first impressions with ben

(00:18:55) 🚕 Mom on the Streets — flirting, micro-aggressions, and being unjaded in new york

(00:23:10) 🤠 Yellowstone Discourse — cowboy fantasies vs. reality, cringe dialogue, and farmer-core exposure therapy

(00:29:20) 📸 Celebrity Body Politics — david foster, katharine mcphee, and why the caption was the real problem

(00:37:45) 💍 Men Behaving Badly — steve lodge, bravo engagements, and patriarchy fatigue

(00:39:45) 🧠 Sunday Scaries — millennial work dread, weekend anxiety, and emotional preparation rituals

(00:43:50) 🍳 Domestic Reset — cooking resolutions, grocery ambition, and false confidence

(00:46:35) 🫒 Olive Oil & Blood — the grocery bag breaks, the fall, the injuries, and instant regret

(00:53:00) ❤️ Acts of Service — why the chaos was (almost) worth it and a rare tender moment

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(00:08:30) — The End of an Era docuseries drops

(00:12:24) — The Southport attack segment: Taylor struggles to speak, prepares to meet victim’s families, and absorbs unimaginable grief.

(00:18 :00) — Inside the Eras Tour bonus checks: nearly $200M distributed, dancers’ lives changed, and industry norms shattered.

(00:21:00) — Dancing is hard: Taylor learning choreography by lyrics, rehearsing with Florence, and spotlight-sharing done right.

(00:24:38) — Travis Kelce check-in: the post-London call, Vienna anxiety, and quiet relationship intimacy on display.

(00:28:40) — Night time routine: after-concert-ritual, avoiding drug addiction, and crazy sleep schedule.

(00:35:00) — Andrea Swift moments: emotional containment, post-tragedy comfort, and the ultimate emotional backbone.

(00:36:00) — Surprise guests and backstage vibes: Ed Sheeran appearances and deeply questionable green-room furniture.

(00:39:00) — RHOBH whiplash: Kyle & Mauricio’s separation, sad flirting, and sterile bachelor-pad décor.

(00:49:48) — Amanda enters RHOBH: Money Queen branding, manifestation courses, and immediate group tension.

(00:57:4 0) — Megan King custody update: CPS involvement, medication issues, and a genuinely dark Bravo headline.

(01:00:45) — Bronwyn & Todd: open-marriage confusion, emotional whiplash, and new beginnings for Bronwyn

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Britani Bateman joins Pop Apologists for a raw, funny, and emotional deep dive into fame, family estrangement, Mormon roots, and her headline-making relationship with Jared. She opens up about rebuilding her bond with daughter Olivia, navigating public criticism, and the reality of dating on reality TV. Britani also breaks down the now-infamous plane incident in chilling detail, including firsthand reactions from flight attendants and passengers. After the interview, Lauren and Chanler unpack Bethenny Frankel’s controversial Architectural Digest feature and viral clapback. The episode wraps with major celebrity updates including Alix Earle, Katy Perry & Justin Trudeau, and Timothée Chalamet & Kylie Jenner.

01:00 — Britani Bateman Joins ❄️

02:30 — Fame & Fan Reactions 📸

04:00 — Mormon Movies & Acting Roots 🎬

05:30 — Vulnerability & Online Criticism 💬

07:00 — Daughter Olivia & Estrangement 👩‍👧

09:30 — Divorce, Remarriage & Faith ⛪️

11:00 — The Jared Relationship Update 💔➡️❤️

13:30 — Breakups, Apologies & Healing 🛠️

15:30 — Jared’s Reputation with the Cast 👀

17:00 — Donny Osmond & Mormon Celebs 🎤

20:00 — Singing, Flirting & Viral Chaos 🎶💄

25:00 — The Plane Incident Begins ✈️🔥

29:00 — Crying, PTSD & Seatmate Witness 👨‍✈️

33:00 — Meredith’s Story & Viewer Reactions 🎭

35:00 — Why SLC Is Peak Bravo 🏔️🍿

37:00 — Mormon 3.0 & Returning to Church 🔄

38:30 — Where to Find Britani Online 📱

🔥 After Show Pop Culture Rundown

40:00 — Bethenny’s AD Home Reveal 🏡

43:00 — Neutral Decor vs Airbnb Chic 🛋️

46:00 — Chevron Wallpaper & Cabana Room 🌊

49:30 — Bethenny Clapback & Real Estate Flex 💰

53:30 — Market Timing vs Design Talent 📊

55:00 — Alix Earle & Braxton Breakup 💔

57:30 — Fame, Youth & Dating Pressure 🌟

59:00 — Katy Perry & Justin Trudeau Go Public 💕

01:01:30 — PDA, Politics & Side-Eye 👀

01:03:30 — Timothée & Kylie Red Carpet 🧡

01:06:30 — Club Chalamet & Fan Culture 🕵️‍♀️

01:09:00 — Parasocial Obsession Talk 🧠

01:12:00 — Celebrity Stalking Line Debate 🚨

01:14:30 — Pronunciation Fails & Callouts 🗣️

01:17:30 — Fact-Checking the Podcast ✅❓

01:20:30 — Taylor Swift Domain Confession 🌐

01:23:30 — Pop Culture Burnout Chat 🫠

01:26:30 — Social Media Spiral 📲

01:29:00 — Reality TV as Escapism 📺

01:31:30 — Final Hot Takes 🔥

01:35:00 — Listener Feedback 💌

01:38:00 — Wrap-Up & Sign-Off 🎤✨

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01:00 — Why Millennials Are Obsessed with Lily Again 🌸🎧

Context-setting for her career resurgence and West End Girl.

02:00 — Lily’s Turbulent Upbringing 🏚️➡️🎬

Council housing, financial struggle, divorced parents, and early industry proximity.

04:00 — Nepo Baby? Well-Connected? Both? 🤷‍♀️✨

Exploring Lily’s privilege vs. hardship.

01:01:00 — The Cheating Revelations + Owning Her Story 💔📖

Lily explains why she disclosed everything in her memoir ("I'm sleeping with prostitutes…").

01:02:00 — The Sobriety Era: Parenting, Presence & Stability 🌱👩‍👧

Her reflections on missing the highs but finally feeling grounded.

01:03:00 — Lily + David Harbour: Raya Match to Marriage ❤️🔥

Their connection, his quotes about her presence and vibrancy.

01:08:00 — The Open Marriage Era & Internet Reactions 👀💬

You revisit your past TikTok takes + new empathy after learning her story.

01:09:00 — Critics Weigh In: The Guardian & Rolling Stone 🌟🎵

Five-star reviews and why West End Girl hits emotionally + musically.

01:10:00 — Favorite Tracks & Lyrical Moments 🎶✨

“Dallas Major” stuck in your heads, the dignity lyric from “Let You Win.”

01:11:00 — Final Thoughts + Swiftie Detour (Because of Course) 🫶🐍

All roads lead back to Taylor; closing the deep dive.

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01:00 — Why Millennials Are Obsessed with Lily Again 🌸🎧

Context-setting for her career resurgence and West End Girl.

02:00 — Lily’s Turbulent Upbringing 🏚️➡️🎬

Council housing, financial struggle, divorced parents, and early industry proximity.

04:00 — Nepo Baby? Well-Connected? Both? 🤷‍♀️✨

Exploring Lily’s privilege vs. hardship.

01:01:00 — The Cheating Revelations + Owning Her Story 💔📖

Lily explains why she disclosed everything in her memoir ("I'm sleeping with prostitutes…").

01:02:00 — The Sobriety Era: Parenting, Presence & Stability 🌱👩‍👧

Her reflections on missing the highs but finally feeling grounded.

01:03:00 — Lily + David Harbour: Raya Match to Marriage ❤️🔥

Their connection, his quotes about her presence and vibrancy.

01:08:00 — The Open Marriage Era & Internet Reactions 👀💬

You revisit your past TikTok takes + new empathy after learning her story.

01:09:00 — Critics Weigh In: The Guardian & Rolling Stone 🌟🎵

Five-star reviews and why West End Girl hits emotionally + musically.

01:10:00 — Favorite Tracks & Lyrical Moments 🎶✨

“Dallas Major” stuck in your heads, the dignity lyric from “Let You Win.”

01:11:00 — Final Thoughts + Swiftie Detour (Because of Course) 🫶🐍

All roads lead back to Taylor; closing the deep dive.

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Lauren interviews Melissa Coleman (“Mrs. Derm”), a no-BS skincare voice married to renowned dermatologist Dr. Patrick Coleman. Mrs. Derm reveals her minimalist routine, Retin-A secrets, melasma fix, why EU sunscreens leave the U.S. in the dust, and her unfiltered takes on plastic surgery and celebrity facelifts.

00:00 — Why Skincare Feels So Confusing: Setting the Record Straight 🎙️

A warm intro + what this episode will actually teach you (and why it matters).

00:14 — The Real AM Routine: What You Should Use (and What You Should Ditch) 🧴

Simple, effective steps for every skin type — no 12-step nonsense, no marketing fluff.

00:26 — Fine Lines, “Smoker Lines,” and the Truth About Genetics vs. Habit 😮‍💨

Who gets them, why they happen, and what can actually reduce them.

00:28 — Can You Start Retin-A Later in Life and Still See Results? 🚭✨

Melissa’s own late-start Retin-A story — proof it’s never too late.

00:29 — What Retin-A Really Does: Texture, Pores, Pigment & Tightness 🧪

A science-backed breakdown of what improves, what doesn’t, and how long it takes.

01:14:00 — The Ageless Woman Story: What Monthly Peels Can Achieve 😳✨

A real example of jaw-dropping skin transformation — and what was behind it.

01:15:00 — Peels vs. Lasers: When Each One Works Best 🔥

A roadmap for choosing the right treatment for clarity, texture, or anti-aging.

01:36:00 — LED Masks: What NASA Actually Studied vs. What Instagram Sells You 🚫💡

Cutting through the hype: when (and if) LED truly does anything.

01:41:00 — Exosomes: The $3k Treatment People Regret Most 💸

The split-face experiment that exposed whether they actually work.

02:13:00 — Celebrity Facelift Discourse: Emily Blunt & the Internet’s Double Standard 💬🔥

Why women get dragged online for procedures — and Melissa’s viral take.

02:14:00 — Why Many Women Keep Their Cosmetic Surgery Private 👀

A candid look at judgment, safety, and privacy in the beauty world.

02:28:00 — The “Mask Slipping” Aging Theory: A Simple Way to Understand Facial Aging 🎭

A visual analogy that explains what’s falling, shifting, and why treatments work.

02:29:00 — Final Advice: What to Focus on at Any Age 👋✨

Her practical, no-BS roadmap for skincare, treatments, and aging gracefully.

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(00:00:00) — Airline rage: JetBlue snacks, Delta trauma, and Biscoff as a war crime.

(00:03:30) — Zach Bryan’s sobriety post + Brianna Chickenfry déjà vu.

(00:11:05) — Queen Camilla’s “weight loss” gaffe + hypnotist diets of the British elite.

(00:17:10) — Meghan Markle’s Harper’s Bazaar profile: duchess announcements & jam philosophy.

(00:26:40) — The NYT surrogacy scandal: forged signatures, Zoom fraud, and 15 children.

(00:37:12) — Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Jessi, Jordan’s TikTok blackmail, and a chaotic marriage.

(00:41:55) — Meghan King loses custody: the strange CPS timeline.

(00:44:16) — Bill Belichick at 24-year-old girlfriend’s adult cheer nationals + Jordon Hudson’s glam.

(00:47:33) — RHOSLC: Todd & Bronwyn’s surreal open-marriage convo.

(00:53:40) — Britani vs. Jared: creek fights, wedge heels, and fifth-grade flirting.

(00:56:00) — Lisa & John Barlow: marriage unraveling on camera.

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(00:00:00) – Layla Joins the Show: Season 3 reactions, Jessie confrontation setup, and Marciano bombshell fallout.

(00:05:12) – The Kiss, the Cialis & the Lie Detector: Jessie’s texts, Jordan overhearing everything, and why Marciano’s Botox face wasn’t giving anything away.

(00:10:24) – Demi vs. The Villa Timeline: The accusations, the confusion, the face-times, and why the girls felt emotionally manipulated.

(00:15:36) – Is There a Layla & Demi Friendship Left?: Layla breaks down boundaries, cordial coexistence, and the moment she stopped believing Demi’s version.

(00:26:00) – Whitney and Layla on Dancing With the Stars: How Whitney’s season arc shifted, why she ran to St. George, and where friendships stand now.

(00:31:12) – Filming Logistics & The Reality of MomTok Fame: Five-day shooting weeks, who films the most, why kids stay off camera, and protecting boundaries.

(00:36:24) – The Mormon Community, Image Management & Garments Era: Initial backlash, cultural shifts, and how converting helped Layla during a dark chapter.

(00:41:36) – Hair Journeys, Identity & Reclaiming Self-Image: Layla’s switch to a new hairstylist, the emotional weight of fitting in, and the sweetest glow-up.

(00:46:48) – Sex, Orgasm Taboo & Mormon Girlhood: Vibrators, sexual shame, becoming orgasmic, and the DMs that poured in after Layla opened up.

(00:52:00) – Taylor, Dakota & the Endless Loop: Did Dakota hook up with a “friend”? Did he hook up with Leanne? (No.) Their impossible chemistry examined.

(00:56:12) – Post-Interview Chat: Lauren and Chanler grace us with their presence and chat about the weekly topics.

(01:10:50) – BravoCon Energy & The Return of Flipping Out: Jeff Lewis is coming back, Chandler battles loyalty to Heather McDonald, and the girls debate the greatest shows on Bravo.

(01:14:50) – Wendy Williams: Conservatorship, Not Dementia: The reveal that Wendy doesn’t have dementia, $200k Uber Eats bill, and how banks flag erratic spending.

(01:20:00) – The Tina Brown Era Returns: Why Tina is core to Pop Apologists history, her NYT interview, and why they’re obsessed.

(01:26:00) – Queen Elizabeth Shielding Prince Andrew: How the late Queen’s loyalty shielded Andrew, creating an environment where he stayed safely tucked behind palace walls even as pressure mounted.

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