What happens when a systems thinker from Germany leaves the city life to herd goats in Jämtland, Sweden?In this conversation, Leon shares his path from business economics and corporate efficiency to circular economy, regenerative agriculture, and holistic management. Through stories of movement, learning, and humility, we explore how to move from linear to living systems — and what it means to assume you’re wrong as a way to stay humble and curious.

Key themes:

* 🌀 From linear to holistic: Why every system—ecological, social, or organizational—requires feedback loops, humility, and constant learning.

* 🐐 Learning from goats: How herding and observing animals reveal lessons about leadership, trust, and letting go of control.

* 🌍 Holistic decision-making: Why “assuming you’re wrong” can lead to more life-giving decisions in companies, farms, and communities alike.

🎧 Listen to the full episode on Nourishing Ideas and discover how Leon bridges systemic thinking, regenerative practice, and human connection.

What a linear solution to a complex issue could or will cause more issues;

Homepage: https://landregeneration.eu/de/

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leonkimbucher/

The book Leon mentioned – Under a white sky by Elisabeth Kolbert: https://www.amazon.se/Under-White-Sky-Nature-Future/dp/0593136276

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Besides the podcast, you’ll soon find — this fall — an educational program on how to build a regenerative business or create a sustainably functioning company.

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Some reflection episodes, which will form part of the educational material I’ll start publishing this fall, will be available exclusively to paying subscribers.If you want to listen to those — this is a good time to become a subscriber!

In addition to the interviews, there will be a learning program open to everyone, but I’ll also mix in deeper-dive episodes on specific topics, which will be reserved for paying subscribers.

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🎵 The music was produced by Victor-Alan Weeks (SENA HERO)

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