In this episode Jon and Les talk with Rich Avery from “More Than A Pastor.”  Rich has served in pastoral ministry for over 20 years.  All throughout his ministry he has been drawn to, and often had involvement in, other entrepreneurial pursuits in addition to his pastoral work.  His newest business is focused on helping other pastors just like himself realize that they too are “more than a pastor.”   Some of the topics we discuss in this interview are:

• It’s possible for a pastor to have a heart for both the church and the marketplace.  You don’t need to make them choose one over the other.
• Rich talks about his involvement in real estate over the years.
• Rich shares his business model he’s building with “More Than A Pastor.”  This is an example of what we at Entre Pastors call the information-based path.
• There are some massive shifts taking place in our culture which will have a significant impact on many churches' abilities to pay their pastors in the future.  Pastors would be wise to develop alternative income streams in light of these growing trends.

In the backstage portion of this episode Rich shares some of the obstacles that he has and is dealing with on his Entre Pastor journey.  Like so many other aspiring entrepreneurs, Rich struggles with mindset issues which cause him to question whether or not he has a message worth sharing, or struggling to overcome imposter syndrome. 

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Rich's Website: MoreThanaPastor.com

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In this episode Jon and Les talk with David Murrow about his new course that is helping pastors preach better online sermons.  

David has spent his career working as a successful television producer, director, and storyteller.  He has a passion for helping pastors do a better job of connecting with their audiences both in person and online.  

David is a great example of someone in our community who is executing the information based pathway of entrepreneurialism as he takes his message and passion and has created a product and service around it.  Some of the other topics we discuss in this interview are:

• Pastors can no longer lean on the “attention monopoly” we have had for so long.  Instead, we must recognize that we are now living in the “attention economy.”
• Pastors need to focus on delivering sermons that are watchable, memorable, and sharable in this new attention economy.
• We will learn how David came up with the idea to create a course and coaching cohort around the need for helping pastors preach better sermons online.
• David shares his advice for any pastor who is just getting started down the information based pathway.

In the backstage portion of this episode David shares his thoughts on the coming “preaching-pocalypse”.  To be more specific, David asserts that the future of preaching will look very different than it does today, and any pastor who refuses to make appropriate adjustments will be left behind.

David's Website: DavidMurrow.com

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In this episode Jon and Les have a conversation with Kent Sanders.  A few years ago Kent made a transition out of pastoral ministry and into a full-time career as a ghostwriter.  Here are some of the topics Kent shared with us in this interview:

• Many pastors are unaware of how possible and profitable a side hustle as a ghostwriter could be.
• It’s important to have the right mindset around “quitting ministry.”
• It’s also important to have a healthy mindset around the subject of money.
• Kent has found much more opportunity for ministry in the marketplace than he did in traditional pastoral ministry.
• Time management as a pastor with a side hustle.
• Pastors are problem solvers and this is a skill that is very transferable to the marketplace.

In the backstage portion of this episode Kent shares some helpful tips for any pastor who is interested in getting started as a ghostwriter.

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• https://dailywriterlife.com/
• https://www.kentsanders.net/

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In this episode Jon and Les pull back the curtain to share some details of their journey building out the EntrePastors platform.  

As they do this, they share the following six components of a fail-proof business plan that is helping them achieve success in their business:

1. Set your goals and have a plan.
2. Take action!
3. Get the right people around you.
4. Accept the fact that you are in sales!
5. Be willing to pivot.
6. Don’t quit too soon.

In the backstage portion of this episode Jon and Les share one more bonus tip that new entrepreneurs and business owners need to keep in mind.  It’s easy to get discouraged when people say “no” to our products or services.  But Jon and Les share why this isn’t really a bad thing at all and how you can stay encouraged through the ups and downs of your entrepreneurial journey.

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Meet Ioannis (pronounced “Yani”) Gratsinopoulos.  Initially, Ioannis resisted the thought of being an entrepastor.  He really only ever wanted to be a full-time pastor.  Due to some circumstances in his life however, he found himself in the marketplace in addition to serving as a pastor.  But he soon discovered that many of the skills that helped him be successful in pastoral ministry were also highly sought after and rewarded in the marketplace.  Today Ioannis is truly the epitome of an entrepastor, serving both the church and the marketplace.  Some of the topics he discussed in our interview include:

• Business can be just as much a ministry as pastoring can be!
• It’s easier for pastors to equip their people to be in marketplace ministry if they themselves are involved in it too.
• What does it look like to plant churches in a corporate setting?
• Is it ok for the church to incorporate business principles?
• It’s dangerous for pastors to live and work in isolation!

In our backstage conversation, Ioannis talks about how to get started with a coaching business.  He also shares some of the differences between coaching pastors versus business professionals. 

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One trait that is common among entrepreneurs is the thrill of the start-up.  Often we enjoy going “all-in” on new projects or pursuing our latest idea.  Sometimes we are even tempted to walk away from our day job as we believe it’s holding us back from experiencing success in our newest side hustle.  In this episode Jon and Les discuss this tendency and offer up the challenge to “keep your day job” while you’re pursuing and building other streams of income.  In this show you will learn:

• On average, wealthy people have seven different streams of income while poor people only have one source of revenue.
• While it’s good to have multiple streams of income, it’s also advisable to focus on building them one at a time.
• Don’t confuse the consistency of a paycheck with security.  That paycheck can disappear in an instant.  Financial security comes from diversifying our income.
• It’s dangerous to rely too heavily on our side-hustle or new start up business to provide for our financial needs in the early days.  This results in unnecessary pressure that can be detrimental to our new business as it causes us to appear desperate in our transactions with people.

We want to keep delivering good results in our day job as we build our side hustle.

In the backstage portion of this episode Jon and Les speak to the pastor who truly does want to leave their “day job.”  We offer advice for how a pastor can make a healthy transition out of pastoral ministry and into a new season of entrepreneurial ministry in the marketplace.

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Meet Kevin Peyton.  In addition to serving as a pastor, Kevin has been very successful with a few restaurant franchises.  He also runs a nonprofit ministry that is making a significant impact in his community and beyond. 

 In this episode you will hear Kevin talk about:

• How he took a non-traditional route into pastoral ministry.
• How he sets healthy expectations with his church when it comes to his role as their pastor.
• How his nonprofit has grown significantly as a result of the covid pandemic.
• How he manages his time and is able to get so much accomplished as an entrepastor.
• How he identifies as being “addicted to NEXT.”  It’s the pull of most entrepreneurs to always be looking for what’s coming next.

In our backstage conversation, Kevin shares some insight into his recommendations regarding starting a nonprofit versus a for-profit business.

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In this episode Jon and Les talk with Tony and Alisa DiLorenzo about their business that ministers to married couples.

Tony and Alisa are the hosts of the ONE Extraordinary Marriage Podcast.  They have also written a book called The 6 Pillars of Intimacy.  They offer live events and coaching with couples as well.  

They are a great example of how someone can leverage a message in a way that serves many people and produces financial profit at the same time.

In the backstage portion of this episode Tony & Alisa talk about the value they have received over the years through various coaches and mentors and why it’s so important for beginning entrepreneurs to invest in that as well.

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For most pastors, becoming an EntrePastor will require LEVELING-UP! In this episode Jon and Les share some key areas where pastors will likely need to increase their capacity in order to succeed as EntrePastors.

If we desire to get to the next level in our lives, it will often require that we increase our capacity in some key areas including:

• Knowledge
• Time
• Finances
• Thinking
• Relationships
• Physical Health

In the backstage portion of this episode Jon and Les both share one specific story of how they have increased their capacity as a part of their EntrePastor journey.

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In this episode Jon and Les have a conversation with Sean Benesh.  Sean co-authored the book Part-Time Pastoring: Leading God’s People by Integrating Faith and Work.  Not only does Sean serve as a pastor/church planter, he also has developed multiple other streams of income through various skills, passions, and abilities that God has given him.

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In the backstage portion of this episode Sean explains his statement from his book that “many full-time church planters and pastors spend a good chunk of their time doing stupid things.”  (It’s a time management conversation.)

Guest Info/Links:

• https://www.intrepidmissions.com/
• https://www.facebook.com/seanbenesh 

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