Will Stubley as CEO of Year 13 and Nora Koslowski of the MBS join Martin Betts in the HEDx studio to discuss how automatic progress from year 12 to a university course may not be either the only or the best option for many young Australians or for the future of Australia. Borne out of personal experience that has seen them feel pushed and compelled to "not waste their ATAR" and do uni because everyone does, Will shares his and his co-founders story and that of their friend who took her life when uni turned out to be not what she wanted to do.