I have a chat with Odin Moja (WotanZA), resident computer scientist of South African Twitter who did his Master's Thesis on the topic of Artificial Intelligence, Co-founder of The NoScript Show tech podcast, father of the Wotanism, proud Tswana, and whiskey appreciator. We discuss reasons to be optimistic, yet realistic, about technological development, techno-sceptics and techno-utopians, the future of computing, artificial intelligence, and more.