What does it take to help someone do something they're afraid to do?

In this episode of The Discomfort Zone Podcast, Anna sits down with Casey Bryant Jones, Director of the Ottawa Kayak School, for a conversation that gets into the real inner game of learning whitewater kayaking. Casey has spent years teaching paddlers of all levels on one of the world's premier big-water rivers, and he gets specific about fear, confidence, and what it actually means to succeed on the water.

This is a conversation about what happens in the space between what you think you can do and what you're actually capable of doing.

If you paddle whitewater at any level and want to build more confidence on the water, this one is for you.

In this episode:

• Why flipping and rolling is a superpower, not a failure (and why the students who flip most often are the ones who progress fastest)

• The "ramp up, ramp back down" approach that Casey uses to find the right level of challenge without breaking a student's confidence

• The breathing technique a mentor taught him in Chile that he still uses today

• Why he and his wife have introduced their young daughters to whitewater kayaking even though it can be uncomfortable and scary

🌊 Whether you're working on your roll, developing your skills on the water, or building confidence, this one is worth your full attention.

🎧 Listen now wherever you get your podcasts.