Jamie and Sean are joined by Edward Ongweso Jr. (@bigblackjacobin), staff writer at Motherboard and co-host of This Machine Kills (@machinekillspod), for a discussion of all things tech. Rather than freeing us from drudgery, technology has been used by capitalists to make things worse for the vast majority of humanity. How did we get here? How can workers fight back? What does it mean to be a 21st century Luddite? How does this relate to police abolition? Plus: Edward's answer to Andy's Twitter poll about turning off the internet.

Outro music: Chumbawumba - the Triumph of General Ludd

Check out Edward's reporting at Motherboard: https://www.vice.com/en/contributor/edward-ongweso-jr

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