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EP 167 | What Does 3700 ELO Mean?
In this DojoTalks, the sensei argue that 3700 Elo engines are so far beyond humans that they beat elite GMs even while spotting queen/rook/knight odds. They discuss that this gap reframes odds chess, preparation, and training, showing how much headroom remains in human understanding.
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00:05 Humans compared to machines in chess strength
01:14 Purist view of chess vs. odds traditions
02:06 GMs losing to Leela even with material odds
03:37 Notable results Naka Fabi Nepo against Leela
10:35 Odds games as a learning tool vs. engines
17:18 What an 800-point gap from Magnus really means
28:47 Computers proving drawish positions still hold winning chances
39:09 Engine Elo progress and the question of a plateau
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By IM Kostya Kavutskiy, IM David Pruess, GM Jesse Kraai
4.6
6363 ratings
In this DojoTalks, the sensei argue that 3700 Elo engines are so far beyond humans that they beat elite GMs even while spotting queen/rook/knight odds. They discuss that this gap reframes odds chess, preparation, and training, showing how much headroom remains in human understanding.
Join the Dojo - https://chessdojo.club
Watch Live - https://twitch.tv/chessdojo
Play Chess - https://go.chess.com/chessdojo
Merch - https://www.chessdojo.club/shop
Want to support the channel?
Patreon - https://patreon.com/chessdojo
Donate - https://streamelements.com/chessdojo/tip
Find all of our chess book & supplies recommendations (& more!) on our Amazon storefront: https://www.amazon.com/shop/chessdojo
Shopping through our link is a great way to support the Dojo. We earn a small affiliate % but at no cost to you.
Website: https://chessdojo.club
Twitch: https://twitch.tv/chessdojo
Discord: https://discord.gg/GhKsJtjpFw
Twitter: https://twitter.com/chessdojo
Patreon: https://patreon.com/chessdojo
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chessdojo
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chessdojo
Podcast: https://chessdojotalks.podbean.com
TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@/chessdojoclips
00:05 Humans compared to machines in chess strength
01:14 Purist view of chess vs. odds traditions
02:06 GMs losing to Leela even with material odds
03:37 Notable results Naka Fabi Nepo against Leela
10:35 Odds games as a learning tool vs. engines
17:18 What an 800-point gap from Magnus really means
28:47 Computers proving drawish positions still hold winning chances
39:09 Engine Elo progress and the question of a plateau
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