Chris DeRosa, co-host of the Fixing Famous People podcast, joins Kate to break down Netflix's wildly addictive reality series The Ultimatum: Marry or Move On, the dating experiment that asks couples on the brink of marriage to separate, date other people, and enter "trial marriages" before deciding whether to get engaged or walk away for good. Kate and Chris unpack the season's biggest twists, the couples they rooted for (and questioned), the franchise's first-ever expulsion over a secret note, and why this social experiment continues to be one of Netflix's most fascinating and chaotic relationship shows. 

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