Brian Miller joins Tim Hoover and Steve Mittman. They discuss the concept of losing in order to win, and alternatively, how you can actually lose by winning — emphasizing the importance of focusing on the process and development — rather than just the outcome. The three of them point out that losing on purpose can lead to significant growth and improvement. This applies not only to martial arts, but also to various aspects of life.

They share personal anecdotes, including the story of Larry Holmes, who became one of the greatest boxers ever after being a sparring partner for Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier.