Dr. Jason Whiting is a professor at Brigham Young University who studies deception, conflict, and abuse in relationships. Dr. Whiting is also a licensed marriage and family therapist who works with couples in a clinical context. In this episode, Dr. Whiting and I discuss how difficult it is to truly see someone else's perspective and why facts really don't matter in an argument or discourse.

Jason can be found at https://drjasonwhiting.com.