Professor John McWhorter, author of "Woke Racism," argues that condescending leftist ideology hurts black people.

We spoke a few years ago when few others were pushing back on those ideas. But I learned a lot from my half-hour interview with him, so here's our full discussion.

For one, the Columbia linguist points out "Woke Racism" hurts black people in many ways: from treating them as incapable of logic, to calling for abolition of tests, to insisting that violent kids stay in schools.

He says that all these ideas are propped by a religion-like ideology that "requires that you sequester your brain for illogical thinking."